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Title: Burn
Post by: Omarleterrorist on June 04, 2015, 10:33:42 PM

Burn

60 cards, 0 sideboard

19 {Mountain}

19 lands

2 {Vexing Devil}
4 {Grim Lavamancer}
4 {Monastery Swiftspear}
3 {Eidelon of the Great Revel}

13 creatures

4 {Rift Bolt}
4 {Flame Rift}
4 {Price of Progress}
4 {Fireblast}
4 {Lightning Bolt}
4 {Chain Lightning}
4 {Lava Spike}

28 other spells

Sideboard

Notes:

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Nanocarter23 on June 04, 2015, 10:38:17 PM

goblin arsonist take out. its useless in this deck
flame rift you could use in your sideboard

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Nanocarter23 on June 04, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

too much land and fireblast is useless

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Mattao19 on June 04, 2015, 11:22:24 PM

Quote from: Nanocarter23 on June 04, 2015, 10:38:57 PM
too much land and fireblast is useless

Fireblast is by far the best card in the deck

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: griffin131 on June 04, 2015, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Nanocarter23 on June 04, 2015, 10:38:57 PM
too much land and fireblast is useless

You don't know much about legacy burn do you?
Flame Rift and Fireblast are two of the best cards in the deck.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Remillo on June 05, 2015, 12:33:53 AM

If you have the budget, I'd cut the arsonists, the Magma Jets, a Price of Progress and two Mountains for four {Goblin Guide} and four {Monastery Swiftspear}. Those guys are just absolutely nuts.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: ihasfrozen on June 05, 2015, 07:07:50 AM

You need 4 {Eidelon of the Great Revel}, they're great.

Best card in the deck is actually {Price of Progress}.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on June 07, 2015, 04:20:18 AM

Quote from: ConanEdo on June 06, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
Needs fetches and {Searing Blaze}. Vexing Devil isn't that good IMO.

Devil sucks big Beetlejuice. Get some!

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MuggyWuggy on June 07, 2015, 01:20:30 PM

Devil resolves

Disfigure
Dismember
Bolt
Decay

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: LinkCelestrial on June 08, 2015, 02:10:59 PM

The problem with {Vexing Devil} is that it will die before doing something productive 9/10 times. If they don't have removal they take four, which is pretty sweet. But think about this. You play a {Goblin Guide} and immediately swing for two. Then they {Path to Exile}/{Lightning Bolt}/{Whatever Legacy Kills Stuff With} it. Sounds bad right? Well if they {Path to Exile} it you're up a mana, which is badass. If they {Lightning Bolt} it they didn't {Lightning Bolt} you so you're up three life.

But Link, if I play the {Vexing Devil} and they remove it the same thing happens!

No, you dealt two damage thanks to haste! Plus if they /don't/ have removal then you have a 2/2 to keep swinging with while they could just take 4 and be done with {Vexing Devil}.

The problem is not that {Vexing Devil} is bad, per say, it's that it's easy to play around and {Goblin Guide}/{Monastery Swiftspear} are better.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM

Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD

Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Kaylesh on June 10, 2015, 12:58:04 PM

Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Well, the logic of the removed and attributed nothing still stands. Card advantage is a thing wether legacy or Tarkir block constructed.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 01:15:00 PM

Quote from: Kaylesh on June 10, 2015, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/
Well, the logic of the removed and attributed nothing still stands. Card advantage is a thing wether legacy or Tarkir block constructed.

True. Card advantage is a little odd in legacy right now. It always really has been. It's more about filtering than actual advantage.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: LinkCelestrial on June 10, 2015, 06:48:51 PM

Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Because the difference between Legacy and Modern is not whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good. Besides that, I understand card evaluation and deck theory and am trying to constantly improve in those areas. If I was wrong somebody would correct me and I'd learn. I'm not overstepping my boundaries by commenting on a Legacy deck when I don't play Legacy. If I am, show it to me and I will stop doing so.

TL, DR: I know enough about magic to share my two cents on something. I'm not the end all be all just somebody trying to help and learn.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MacheteMable on June 11, 2015, 10:52:34 AM

Anyway, back on topic.

I think vexing devil should become goblin guide. You really want to pressure them as much as possible and attach from different angles. Especially when facing miracles or Omnitell you really want to kill them as quick as possible. Ideally before they can Emrakul or countertop lock you since the lock in miracles is extremely effective against burn.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: LinkCelestrial on June 11, 2015, 03:23:12 PM

Quote from: ConanEdo on June 10, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 10, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Because the difference between Legacy and Modern is not whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good. Besides that, I understand card evaluation and deck theory and am trying to constantly improve in those areas. If I was wrong somebody would correct me and I'd learn. I'm not overstepping my boundaries by commenting on a Legacy deck when I don't play Legacy. If I am, show it to me and I will stop doing so.

TL, DR: I know enough about magic to share my two cents on something. I'm not the end all be all just somebody trying to help and learn.
Knowing magic in general and knowing legacy are two different things. Card evaluation in modern and legacy is completely different. In legacy, you value card selection, efficieny, and utility a lot more than power when compared to modern or standard.

Hence why I said I'm still learning. And as I said, "the difference between Legacy and Modern isn't whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good" Was I wrong? Am I giving bad advice? Why do people have to give me flak about this? I'm just trying to be helpful.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Falcon182 on June 11, 2015, 03:51:02 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 11, 2015, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 10, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 10, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Because the difference between Legacy and Modern is not whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good. Besides that, I understand card evaluation and deck theory and am trying to constantly improve in those areas. If I was wrong somebody would correct me and I'd learn. I'm not overstepping my boundaries by commenting on a Legacy deck when I don't play Legacy. If I am, show it to me and I will stop doing so.

TL, DR: I know enough about magic to share my two cents on something. I'm not the end all be all just somebody trying to help and learn.
Knowing magic in general and knowing legacy are two different things. Card evaluation in modern and legacy is completely different. In legacy, you value card selection, efficieny, and utility a lot more than power when compared to modern or standard.

Hence why I said I'm still learning. And as I said, "the difference between Legacy and Modern isn't whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good" Was I wrong? Am I giving bad advice? Why do people have to give me flak about this? I'm just trying to be helpful.

I have actually run {path to exile} as a sideboard card. There are quite a few decks that run 0-2 basics so it's basically unconditional removal against those decks.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on June 11, 2015, 07:50:07 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 11, 2015, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 10, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 10, 2015, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: MacheteMable on June 10, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 09, 2015, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 08, 2015, 11:32:07 PM
This is legacy. Nobody runs path. That is complete garbage in legacy. They run {swords to plowshares}

My bad. I don't play Legacy. xD
Not to be rude, but then why are you suggesting things on a legacy deck? :/

Because the difference between Legacy and Modern is not whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good. Besides that, I understand card evaluation and deck theory and am trying to constantly improve in those areas. If I was wrong somebody would correct me and I'd learn. I'm not overstepping my boundaries by commenting on a Legacy deck when I don't play Legacy. If I am, show it to me and I will stop doing so.

TL, DR: I know enough about magic to share my two cents on something. I'm not the end all be all just somebody trying to help and learn.
Knowing magic in general and knowing legacy are two different things. Card evaluation in modern and legacy is completely different. In legacy, you value card selection, efficieny, and utility a lot more than power when compared to modern or standard.

Hence why I said I'm still learning. And as I said, "the difference between Legacy and Modern isn't whether or not {Vexing Devil} is good" Was I wrong? Am I giving bad advice? Why do people have to give me flak about this? I'm just trying to be helpful.

No one cares that you are trying to help. Without getting into the argument of 'if i know magic i know legacy', I think the point is you are giving advice then further on when someone says 'hang on, that isnt how it goes...' you say 'yeah, i dont really play legacy so my advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt'. Maybe in future give the disclaimer before the advice, or at the same time?

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: griffin131 on June 12, 2015, 12:15:12 AM

Who cares if he mentioned Path? He's right about {Vexing Devil}.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: LinkCelestrial on June 12, 2015, 12:29:05 AM

Quote from: griffin131 on June 12, 2015, 12:15:12 AM
Who cares if he mentioned Path? He's right about {Vexing Devil}.

My point exactly. I didn't know path wasn't viable, and somebody even said it is semi-viable. I've learned. So get off my back.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MuggyWuggy on June 12, 2015, 12:35:10 AM

Coincidentally this conversation is in a thread about burn

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: MacheteMable on June 13, 2015, 12:36:05 AM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on June 12, 2015, 12:35:10 AM
Coincidentally this conversation is in a thread about burn

Oooooooo burnnnnnnnn

Edit: Link is right about the devil. It's just not what you're looking for.

Title: Re: Burn
Post by: rarehuntertay on June 16, 2015, 02:25:02 PM

I know this is outdated, but it is still a good read about burn

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/23494_Fight_Everything_With_Fire_1st_Place_At_StarCityGamescom_Open_DC.html

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