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Title: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:05:23 PM
FNM Grixis Delver

60 cards, 0 sideboard

1 {Swamp} 1 Unhinged Foil
1 {Mountain} Unhinged
1 {Island} Unhinged
2 {Darkslick Shores}
2 {Watery Grave} Gatecrash Foil
2 {Blood Crypt} RtR Foil
2 {Steam Vent} RtR
4 {Bloodstained Mire} KtK Foil
4 {Polluted Delta} 2 Ktk Foil and 2 Regular

19 lands


4 {Delver of Secrets} Foil
3 {Young Pyromancer} Foil
3 {Snapcaster Mage} 3 Foil and 1 Regular
2 {Gurmag Angler}
2 {Tasigur, the Golden Fang} Fate Foil

14 creatures


4 {Serum Visions} 5th Dawn Foil
4 {Lightning Bolt} Sliver Foil
4 {Gitaxian Probe} Foil Promo
4 {Thought Scour}
1 {Kolaghan's Command}
2 {Remand} Duel Deck
4 {Mana Leak} 1 Full art promo and 3 M12
4 {Terminate} Full art promo

27 other spells


Sideboard
1 {Liliana of the Veil}
2 {Slaughter Games}
2 {Thoughtseize}
1 {Spell Snare}
1 {Dragon's Claw}
1 {Rakdos Charm}
1 {Engineered Explosive}
1 {Olivia Voldaren}
1 {Counterflux}
1 {Jorubai Murk Lurker}
1 {Izzet Staticaster}
2 {Dispel}
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: Esper on May 20, 2015, 02:06:57 PM
This deck is spicy.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.
I thought about more delve spells but I want to use and abuse snapcaster.  I will add {skullcrack} to the SB though for life gain hate.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
May take out Bob for Tasigur

I support that idea. {Murderous Cut} and {Logic Knot} can also help use up that GY that the TC and DTT left behind. I'd definitely run something with delve.

As for the sideboard all I can think is GY hate with {Leyline of the Void} and {Rain of Gore} for life gain hate.
I thought about more delve spells but I want to use and abuse snapcaster.  I will add {skullcrack} to the SB though for life gain hate.

Understandable. I feel like {Rain of Gore} is better than {Skullcrack} but that'd only really be vs Soul Sisters and {Kor Firewalker} things.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.

I was thinking with the popularity of {Kor Firewalker} and {Seige Rhino}. There are also a couple of lists that have a copy or two of {Soulfire Grand Master}, and lifelink creatures in general. Plus the {Kitchen Finks} combo wombo. I guess it's really meta dependant. Hoses Soul Sisters though.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: Kaalia with haste on May 20, 2015, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 20, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
Definitely Tasigur, he and Gurmag Angler are {Tarmogoyf} for these colors.
i am kind of thinking of taking out pyromance to add 2 tasigur and 1 angler.  any recommendations on what to take out?

I would also take out confidant and put in the 4th remand or a single cryptic command if i add tasigur
The grixis lists I have seen doing well are playing 3 pyro and some combination of tasigurs and gurmags. They also are only playing 2 remand. I also don't think life gain hate is necessary sb, there's one deck that actually gets any use out of it and that deck is tier three.

I was thinking with the popularity of {Kor Firewalker} and {Seige Rhino}. There are also a couple of lists that have a copy or two of {Soulfire Grand Master}, and lifelink creatures in general. Plus the {Kitchen Finks} combo wombo. I guess it's really meta dependant. Hoses Soul Sisters though.
You don't care about lifegain from Rhino and if people are bringing in Kor Firewalker against Grixis Delver they're bad at magic. Soulfire Grandmaster isn't popular enough to care about it and you should be able to beat Soul Sisters.
I have soul sisters together, and that MU is definitely favorable towards soul sisters. That said, I've only played the martyr proc version against delver, not the mono-w aggro one, but it seems mediocre for delver and kinda rough for SS. It's prob like 55-45 in delvers favor if I had to guess.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 20, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
Well first round of testing and pyromancer stays.  I am not sure tasigur is worth adding.  Maybe i will swap the single bob for a tasigur.  I just feel i kind of need to run {thoughtscour} and {gitaxian probe} to really abuse him and i just do not want to take out stuff to add all of that.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 08:15:30 AM
I just realized something gross so I am going to test it out.  First off, here are the changes:

-1 Bob
-1 Thoughtseize
-1 Inquisition of Kozilek
-1 Swamp
-1 Remand
-1 Terminate

+1 Tasigur
+1 Snapcaster
+1 Kolaghan's Command
+3 Funeral Charm

The gross part is mid-game I can instant speed discard on the end of my opponent's draw step and repeat with snapcaster, funeral charm, and kolaghan's command.  Kolaghan's is also a nice chump block combo with snapcaster......flash in snappy, name kolaghan's, chump block with snappy, cast kolaghan's to return snappy with a bonus.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 09:25:50 AM
Dare I say that I am considering cutting Lily for a couple more instant/sorc????

Maybe {murderous cut} and the 4th {terminate}
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: Kaalia with haste on May 22, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
Lili seems kinda bad in this deck. If you wanna play Lili play a GBx deck
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: DimirOverlord1300 on May 22, 2015, 09:34:42 AM
Funeral charm seems kinda bad, I think this deck is way stronger with a couple delve creatures, thought scours, and no Lilly's.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
Final List posted.

-2 Lily

+1 Terminate
+1 Murderous Cut


Dimir -

You ever used funeral charm?  It hoses mana dorks and other 1 toughness threats.  It is instant discard when your opponent is top decking.....it becomes a lock condition.  The swampwalk could be a game winner but that is a long shot.  Biggest point is the card is super versatile.  I am open to reasons other cards are better.......let me know thoughts :)
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
I think I will add 2 lily to SB for the bogles match up.  Bah what to take out.....
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 22, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
I think I will add 2 lily to SB for the bogles match up.  Bah what to take out.....
Take out Murklurker, IMO
He is a meta call. 

I see a lot of burn and he passes the bolt threat.  lifegain also extends the race match I will have against abzan.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: DimirOverlord1300 on May 22, 2015, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
Final List posted.

-2 Lily

+1 Terminate
+1 Murderous Cut


Dimir -

You ever used funeral charm?  It hoses mana dorks and other 1 toughness threats.  It is instant discard when your opponent is top decking.....it becomes a lock condition.  The swampwalk could be a game winner but that is a long shot.  Biggest point is the card is super versatile.  I am open to reasons other cards are better.......let me know thoughts :)
I don't know. I just feel like this deck needs more threats than it has (I play your creatures -1 snap +2 gurmag angler +1 tas -clique and still feel like I don't draw threats enough. You end up needing thought scour to support that and in order to make room for them I think funeral charm is the right cut. Also, murderous cut seems like it would be putting a bit too much stress on the GY if you play a few more delve creatures. On modernnexus.com there have been a couple good articles about the deck by a known guy from MTGSalvation.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 12:11:50 PM
I do have a soft spot for funeral charm.  Maybe I take all 3 out and add 1 tasigur, 1 angler, and 1 git probe or maybe put in 3 thoughtscour........bah IDK?  I do feel like the deck as enough threats so 2 more creatures is about all I want to add if anymore at all.


All I will say about funeral charm is it is an early game versatile card and a mid game lock out the opponent when he is running off top deck.  Ideally I already used charm and I flash in snappy on opponents draw step to deny them.......that is best case scenario for that card........use it once and then abuse the hell out of it with snappy or direct from hand.  I just feel it is not a bad draw mid game whereas other cards are.
Title: Re: FNM Grixis Delver
Post by: cltrn81 on May 22, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Final changes round 2 :)  Decided to remove all the discard

-1 Urborg
-1 Island
+1 Darkslick Shores

-1 Snapcaster Mage
-1 Vend Clique
+2 Gurmag Angler
+1 Tasigur

-2 Thoughtseize
-2 Inquisition
-3 Funeral Charm
-1 Murderous Cut
+4 Gitaxian Probe
+4 Thoughtscour