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Esper Control 60 cards, 12 sideboard 2 {Arcane Sanctum} 1 {Creeping Tar Pit} 1 {Godless Shrine} 6 {Island} 1 {Watery Grave} 6 {Plains} 1 {Temple of Enlightenment} 5 {Swamp} 23 lands 2 {Duress} 2 {Myth Realized} 3 {Detention Sphere} 2 {Jace, Architect of Thought} 1 {Path to Exile} 2 {Sphinx's Revelation} 1 {Wrath of God} 1 {Go for the Throat} 3 {Murderous Cut} 4 {Lingering Souls} 4 {Rune Snag} 2 {Supreme Verdict} 4 {Dissolve} 1 {Telepathy} 2 {Esper Charm} 3 {Condemn} 37 other spells Sideboard 1 {Tidebinder Mage} 2 {Gideon Jura} 1 {Dispel} 1 {One Thousand Lashes} 1 {Negate} 1 {Arrest} 1 {Pithing Needle} 1 {Quicken} 2 {Dismember} 1 {Silence} 12 sideboard cards Notes: Reposted it for convenience. Sideboard is currently not functional, just thrown together. Any suggestions? I am on a budget.

I'm trying to keep this deck mostly cheap, so no snapcasters, no cryptics, and mediocre landbase.

IMHO needs more ashioks and less Gideon's but if that's a budget problem then no worries

{path to exile} is an upcoming FNM promo. I'll probably end up grabbing a few and I already have my set. HMU and I'll trade them to you for a discount.

Quote from: Codester1991 on May 12, 2015, 06:10:08 PM
IMHO needs more ashioks and less Gideon's but if that's a budget problem then no worries

IMO they're both very good. Gideon is a fantastic sponge and Ashiok just wrecks some decks. They're just both very meta dependant.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 12, 2015, 06:39:39 PM

Quote from: Codester1991 on May 12, 2015, 06:10:08 PM
IMHO needs more ashioks and less Gideon's but if that's a budget problem then no worries

IMO they're both very good. Gideon is a fantastic sponge and Ashiok just wrecks some decks. They're just both very meta dependant.

I agree with link here, Gideon soaks up damage and can be a win condition in his own right.

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 12, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
{path to exile} is an upcoming FNM promo. I'll probably end up grabbing a few and I already have my set. HMU and I'll trade them to you for a discount.

I don't have any of your needed, but I'd like to get some to replace the {Condemns}.

Do you guys think I need more counterspells?

i'd throw in at least one {logic knot}, it's just good in most control decks but in numbers of no more than 2

Quote from: fj76ts4 on May 12, 2015, 07:24:12 PM
i'd throw in at least one {logic knot}, it's just good in most control decks but in numbers of no more than 2

I don't really like logic knot, because it takes 2 blue mana, I will do some testing though.

{Banishing light} instead of utter end? No draw either? {Divination} is a solid card. And I recommend some {Murder}s but if you can afford it, {Hero's Downfall} is a straight upgrade

Ehhh I have to disagree on divination there's a lot better draw cards than the 2U sorcery draw two. For instance a standard card that's better is anticipate. I'm not much on controlly decks in more of a tempo/aggro player but there are a lot more annoying draw cards than divination. Especially because it's sorcery speed 😁

{think twice} is great if your looking for draw

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on May 12, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
{think twice} is great if your looking for draw

I firmly disagree. Five mana for one card advantage is bad.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 12, 2015, 09:40:18 PM

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on May 12, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
{think twice} is great if your looking for draw

I firmly disagree. Five mana for one card advantage is bad.

It's three mana to cycle it and then two later on

Quote from: Codester1991 on May 12, 2015, 09:27:46 PM
Ehhh I have to disagree on divination there's a lot better draw cards than the 2U sorcery draw two. For instance a standard card that's better is anticipate. I'm not much on controlly decks in more of a tempo/aggro player but there are a lot more annoying draw cards than divination. Especially because it's sorcery speed 😁

I couldn't remember the name of it lol

Quote from: Drayton99 on May 12, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
{Banishing light} instead of utter end? No draw either? {Divination} is a solid card. And I recommend some {Murder}s but if you can afford it, {Hero's Downfall} is a straight upgrade

Utter end is just straight better than light. I'm not going to disagree with downfall. Divination should not be in. {Serum Visions} deserves a spot

Quote from: Munchlax on May 12, 2015, 10:33:26 PM

Quote from: Drayton99 on May 12, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
{Banishing light} instead of utter end? No draw either? {Divination} is a solid card. And I recommend some {Murder}s but if you can afford it, {Hero's Downfall} is a straight upgrade

Utter end is just straight better than light. I'm not going to disagree with downfall. Divination should not be in. {Serum Visions} deserves a spot

He said cheap so {Divination} fits better than {Serum Visions}

Quote from: Drayton99 on May 12, 2015, 10:44:24 PM

Quote from: Munchlax on May 12, 2015, 10:33:26 PM

Quote from: Drayton99 on May 12, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
{Banishing light} instead of utter end? No draw either? {Divination} is a solid card. And I recommend some {Murder}s but if you can afford it, {Hero's Downfall} is a straight upgrade

Utter end is just straight better than light. I'm not going to disagree with downfall. Divination should not be in. {Serum Visions} deserves a spot

He said cheap so {Divination} fits better than {Serum Visions}

But divination is garbage in modern. Just run {think twice} or {Telling Time}

{Esper Charm} does well for card draw, with the option of taking out an enchantment if I need to. I'll check out {telling time} and some more removal.

Updated

Bruh. You gotta play {nephalia drownyard}.

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 14, 2015, 07:36:59 AM
Bruh. You gotta play {nephalia drownyard}.

This card is garbage in modern. It is the equivalent of dealing 1 damage

Quote from: Munchlax on May 14, 2015, 07:39:49 AM

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 14, 2015, 07:36:59 AM
Bruh. You gotta play {nephalia drownyard}.

This card is garbage in modern. It is the equivalent of dealing 1 damage

THANK YOU MUNCHLAX

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 14, 2015, 08:02:13 AM

Quote from: Munchlax on May 14, 2015, 07:39:49 AM

Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 14, 2015, 07:36:59 AM
Bruh. You gotta play {nephalia drownyard}.

This card is garbage in modern. It is the equivalent of dealing 1 damage

THANK YOU MUNCHLAX

Gotcha back bruh. We should hang out

Put {Shadow of Doubt} in here?

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 10:09:16 AM
Put {Shadow of Doubt} in here?

Seems like sideboard material to me.

Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{murderous cut}>{murder}

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{Peek} is kinda better in control.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
{murderous cut}>{murder}

Agreed.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:51:29 PM

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{Peek} is kinda better in control.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
{murderous cut}>{murder}

Agreed.

G probe is strictly better than peek

Quote from: Munchlax on May 15, 2015, 10:36:41 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:51:29 PM

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{Peek} is kinda better in control.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
{murderous cut}>{murder}

Agreed.

G probe is strictly better than peek

Instant speed. Control doesn't really want to pay life.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 11:05:29 PM

Quote from: Munchlax on May 15, 2015, 10:36:41 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:51:29 PM

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{Peek} is kinda better in control.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
{murderous cut}>{murder}

Agreed.

G probe is strictly better than peek

Instant speed. Control doesn't really want to pay life.

But g probe can still be done on your turn for either two life or 1 blue.

Either way I say 50/50 split

Quote from: Munchlax on May 15, 2015, 11:47:47 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 11:05:29 PM

Quote from: Munchlax on May 15, 2015, 10:36:41 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:51:29 PM

Quote from: Esper on May 15, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
Yeah, that's what i meant. My bad.. Maybe, he could do two main? I did back when i played Esper in modern. Did pretty good. i don't think Serum should be in it at all. {gitaxian probe} maybe?

{Peek} is kinda better in control.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on May 15, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
{murderous cut}>{murder}

Agreed.

G probe is strictly better than peek

Instant speed. Control doesn't really want to pay life.

But g probe can still be done on your turn for either two life or 1 blue.

Either way I say 50/50 split

I've had a preference to {Peek} in control shells. It's certainly worth trying both.

I agree on {Peek} better. Both are good either way.

Logic Knot and Murderous Cut CANNOT be played in the same deck without fetchlands. I mean if you have fetches sure run them but without fetches it's a no go.

Think Twic is underated it's a good card drawer.

Cut demons they are hideously bad in modern.

Serum Visions is a good card for here but for price reasons I understand why it's not.

I'd look at getting {Creeping Tar Pits}

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 18, 2015, 04:54:01 PM
Logic Knot and Murderous Cut CANNOT be played in the same deck without fetchlands. I mean if you have fetches sure run them but without fetches it's a no go.

Think Twic is underated it's a good card drawer.

Cut demons they are hideously bad in modern.

Serum Visions is a good card for here but for price reasons I understand why it's not.

I'd look at getting {Creeping Tar Pits}

1. I removed logic knot
2.I don't like think twice, It's 5 mana for a {Divination}
3.The demons have preformed well in testing so far, and on untap they've been great.
4.I'm trying to make this so I can buy it, agreed that I'll gradually update it with things like lands, {Serum Visions}, and {Path to exile}.
5.see above

I'll post an updated deck list soon.

Think twice is not 5 mana divination it's being able to keep up 2 mana for a counter and still have something to do eot in case they don't do anything

I still probably won't run it.

Fair enough also I would not run Condescend. It's an awful Counterspell in this shell tron can run it bc well tron can pay a lot for X :P

Condescend has actually been great, the scry is relevant and early game it is amazing. Late game it gets worse but is still alright.

Hate to be that guy but untap is not a good indicator of good cards I mean sure it's great for free testing but it is not competitive enough to justify it (if that's your argument) I'd run other things instead of Condescend.

Also dissipate? Is Dissolve not just better what in mdn is worth exiling? There aren't too many GY decks

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 18, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Hate to be that guy but untap is not a good indicator of good cards I mean sure it's great for free testing but it is not competitive enough to justify it (if that's your argument) I'd run other things instead of Condescend.

Also dissipate? Is Dissolve not just better what in mdn is worth exiling? There aren't too many GY decks

Much Agreement.

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 18, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Hate to be that guy but untap is not a good indicator of good cards I mean sure it's great for free testing but it is not competitive enough to justify it (if that's your argument) I'd run other things instead of Condescend.

Also dissipate? Is Dissolve not just better what in mdn is worth exiling? There aren't too many GY decks

I know all this, and Dissolve is in the updated decklist, which I have so far not uploaded.

Updated

Why no {Go for the Throat}? It's really good, especially for most meta's.

Go for the throat was in there before, but Murderous cut is cheaper and the delve is nice. I may check out murderous cut once I get the deck.

Quote from: Splicer on May 19, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
Go for the throat was in there before, but Murderous cut is cheaper and the delve is nice. I may check out murderous cut once I get the deck.

Have you not bought the deck yet?

{Victim of the night} is also good. and I ran a singleton of {Dimir Charm} just in case.

And {Path to Exile} is a must have in this. It won't damage your budget, and the promo's coming out soon.

Quote from: Esper on May 19, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
And {Path to Exile} is a must have in this. It won't damage your budget, and the promo's coming out soon.

An extra $28 is out of budget at the moment. I'll wait for the promo.

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 19, 2015, 10:14:05 AM

Quote from: Splicer on May 19, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
Go for the throat was in there before, but Murderous cut is cheaper and the delve is nice. I may check out murderous cut once I get the deck.

Have you not bought the deck yet?

No, I plan on buying it once I'm sure it's as good as it's going to get without the previously mentioned upgrades.

Quote from: Splicer on May 19, 2015, 11:51:18 AM

Quote from: Esper on May 19, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
And {Path to Exile} is a must have in this. It won't damage your budget, and the promo's coming out soon.

An extra $28 is out of budget at the moment. I'll wait for the promo.

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 19, 2015, 10:14:05 AM

Quote from: Splicer on May 19, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
Go for the throat was in there before, but Murderous cut is cheaper and the delve is nice. I may check out murderous cut once I get the deck.

Have you not bought the deck yet?

No, I plan on buying it once I'm sure it's as good as it's going to get without the previously mentioned upgrades.

Ok that changes a lot of things lol I was holding back :P I'll post new suggestions soon (1/2 hour or so) :D

Here's a list off the top of my head that's fairly budget. One thing to ask is do you own the PWs? If not you can buy better cards like Creeping tar Pits.

Anyways:

Sorcery:
4 {Lingering souls} reason to be in Esper
2 {Supreme Verdict} obvi :P
1 {Wrath of God} bc Thrun is a card
7 Sorceries

Instant:
2 {Esper Charm} tbh it's ok not great it's good instant speed draw but I actually like it better as instant speed discard
4 {Mana Leak} or {Rune Snag} without Snapcaster I think Snag is better
4 {Dissolve}
2 {Murderous Cut} (don't exile snags lol)
1 {Go for the Throat}
3 {Condemn} (should be Paths)
2 {Think Twice} trust me it's good
2 {Sphinx's Revelation}
20 Instants

3 {Detention Sphere}

3 {Gideon From Zendikar}
1 {Jace Architect of Thought}

26 Land I highly recommend {Creeping Tar Pits} at least 2 of them

Quote from: Mattao19 on May 19, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
Here's a list off the top of my head that's fairly budget. One thing to ask is do you own the PWs? If not you can buy better cards like Creeping tar Pits.

Anyways:

Sorcery:
4 {Lingering souls} reason to be in Esper
2 {Supreme Verdict} obvi :P
1 {Wrath of God} bc Thrun is a card
7 Sorceries

Instant:
2 {Esper Charm} tbh it's ok not great it's good instant speed draw but I actually like it better as instant speed discard
4 {Mana Leak} or {Rune Snag} without Snapcaster I think Snag is better
4 {Dissolve}
2 {Murderous Cut} (don't exile snags lol)
1 {Go for the Throat}
3 {Condemn} (should be Paths)
2 {Think Twice} trust me it's good
2 {Sphinx's Revelation}
20 Instants

3 {Detention Sphere}

3 {Gideon From Zendikar}
1 {Jace Architect of Thought}

26 Land I highly recommend {Creeping Tar Pits} at least 2 of them

On point!

Quote from: ConanEdo on May 19, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
I just realized, no one had brought up {Sphinx's Revelation}, definitely a one or two of.

I thought it was already in there. 😜 My bad. It's a definite.

Quote from: bravado883 on May 20, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
I agree with most of what Mattao said as far as the cards, although I would be a bit different on the numbers. I'm also a fan of {Think Twice} if you don't want to drop $40 for common {Serum Visions} (dumb). A few other good ones:

{Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
{Shadow of Doubt}--super funny in response to fetching.
{Tectonic Edge}--if you can support it with your mana base.
{Dismember}
{Duress}/{Despise}? Part of the upside to Esper is disruption--stupid expensive {Thoughtseize}/{Inquisition of Kozilek}

Sorry if some of these were previously mentioned. If so, ignore 'em.

Love me some Esper!

{Dismember} is awesome. Even {Ghost quarter} is good. And i mentioned {Shadow of Doubt}, also it doesn't kill your wallet. :D

Agreed :P

Quote from: bravado883 on May 20, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
I agree with most of what Mattao said as far as the cards, although I would be a bit different on the numbers. I'm also a fan of {Think Twice} if you don't want to drop $40 for common {Serum Visions} (dumb). A few other good ones:

{Sorin, Lord of Innistrad}
{Shadow of Doubt}--super funny in response to fetching.
{Tectonic Edge}--if you can support it with your mana base.
{Dismember}
{Duress}/{Despise}? Part of the upside to Esper is disruption--stupid expensive {Thoughtseize}/{Inquisition of Kozilek}

Sorry if some of these were previously mentioned. If so, ignore 'em.

Love me some Esper!

Sorin-good, but I'm not sure what I would take out.
Shadow of doubt-sideboard?
Tectonic edge- difficult because of mana
Dismember-good, but {sphinx's revelation} is my only lifegain
Hand disruption-yes

Posting an updated list(minus these changes) soon.

Shadow is also good main, drawing cards is my favorite thing to do in Magic.

Dismember is bad in black decks. It's strong because it offers removal to non black decks but when you're in black there's no reason to play it over something like murderous cut.

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 20, 2015, 04:19:34 PM
Dismember is bad in black decks. It's strong because it offers removal to non black decks but when you're in black there's no reason to play it over something like murderous cut.

I'm mostly inclined to agree. I mean {Dismember} is good in the right situation but I'd personally rather be casting {Murderous Cut} or {Go for the Throat}.

Updated

I like it. Are you planning on upgrading the mana base at some point? I'd also like to see the sideboard.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 20, 2015, 05:53:50 PM
I like it. Are you planning on upgrading the mana base at some point? I'd also like to see the sideboard.

Yes, the mana base will be updated over time.
I don't have a functional sideboard yet, because I only recently started going to FNM, so I am unfamiliar with the meta.

Well, I ordered the deck.:) I can't wait for it to arrive!

Alright guys, I need some sideboard help. I just moved, and am trying to fit into the meta. Some decks I noticed:
Affinity
Burn
Jund
Coco
Storm

{leyline of sanctity} for burn and storm? Or too pricey?
{stony silence} would slow down affinity.

{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} as a wincon or at least sideboard against Abzan, Zoo, maybe Burn...

Quote from: griffin131 on June 28, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} as a wincon or at least sideboard against Abzan, Zoo, maybe Burn...

My only lifegain is {Sphinx's Revelation}, seems like it'll never be active...

It's not like he has lifelink and very relevant protections or anything...

Quote from: griffin131 on June 28, 2015, 06:48:52 PM
It's not like he has lifelink and very relevant protections or anything...

Maybe so, but a 4/4 lifelink is mediocre even with said protections, I'd rather keep counter mana up, or some for spot removal.

Quote from: Kaylesh on June 28, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
{leyline of sanctity} for burn and storm? Or too pricey?
{stony silence} would slow down affinity.

Yeah, I've got to find some, but I lack a reliable source of income, being a 15 year old. With leu line, do you just mull down to it against burn and win?

This list is really out of date... I'll update it later, until then, do you guys think that {Blind Obedience} is good sideboard tech? I can see it being good against twin, burn, and zoo at least. What are your opinions?

Quote from: bravado883 on August 15, 2015, 10:32:44 AM
Not sure--seems okay against Zoo, but I don't think you'll typically gain enough life off of extort for it to matter against Burn. It only buys you a turn against Twin. What do you cut for it?

It would go in the side, which I'm still working on. It buys me more than a turn against twin- I have until they pull whatever enchantment destruction they run. Burn, it may not gain me enough life, but it makes their {Hellspark Elemental}s and {Spark Elemental}s useless. Zoo, I don't know. How many hasty creatures do they run?

Quote from: Splicer on August 15, 2015, 11:05:37 AM

Quote from: bravado883 on August 15, 2015, 10:32:44 AM
Not sure--seems okay against Zoo, but I don't think you'll typically gain enough life off of extort for it to matter against Burn. It only buys you a turn against Twin. What do you cut for it?

It would go in the side, which I'm still working on. It buys me more than a turn against twin- I have until they pull whatever enchantment destruction they run. Burn, it may not gain me enough life, but it makes their {Hellspark Elemental}s and {Spark Elemental}s useless. Zoo, I don't know. How many hasty creatures do they run?

Just {Goblin Guide} in some lists.

I'm speaking of my meta though.

If you meta is running those cards then you should be winning anyways ;)

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 15, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
If you meta is running those cards then you should be winning anyways ;)

But I'm not. I'll update the list tonight, but other than budget constrictions, I don't know what's wrong with it.

Jace, Dissolve are bad and should be cut Jace only sees play in twin for slow Grundy matches so maybe he has a slot in the SB.

Also 3 mb wraths are bad. I like the 1 of each and then having the 3rd in the board.

I know budget but {Monastery Mentor} would be great

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 15, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
Jace, Dissolve are bad and should be cut Jace only sees play in twin for slow Grundy matches so maybe he has a slot in the SB.

Also 3 mb wraths are bad. I like the 1 of each and then having the 3rd in the board.

I know budget but {Monastery Mentor} would be great

I know Dissolve is bad, but I haven't got a good replacement. Jace is usually fine, he generates card advantage. However I agree, he probably needs to go. I would LOVE to add mentor, but I'm waiting too rotation and hoping he won't be $15 by then. As for the wraths, I like them all mainboarded because I need one in a fair number of games...

What should I add to replace some of these cards? List coming hopefully this hour.

List updated!

Cut telepathy too lol although it's funny it is pretty bad

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 15, 2015, 03:06:17 PM
Cut telepathy too lol although it's funny it is pretty bad

Lol I know but I need replacements for bad cards. Currently in a trade to get some more paths. Any suggestions for replacements? Also, what do you think of {Blind Obedience} in the side?

Oh and I meant that burn runs the elementals. Not zoo.

Blind o isn't good enough Id rather run ghostly prison. Have you tried {Wall of Omens}?

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 15, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
Blind o isn't good enough Id rather run ghostly prison. Have you tried {Wall of Omens}?

In place of?

Any of the things I told you to cut its a grEat 4 of as its so low opportunity cost. Sure it is better if you have Resto but wall is very powerful

-1 {Telepathy}
-1{Jace, AoT}
-2{Dissolve}

+4{Wall of Omens}?

Sounds good to me

Wall is nice vs Aggro and is never dead vs any deck :P

I'll pick some up the next time I'm at my lgs.

Any other suggestions guys? I'd like to hear some varying opinions.

Also, I took out the {Gideon Jura} because he cost too much. I never wanted to tap for him. Is there any reason he should go back in?

He is a very good PW and a solid win con rarely do you want to tap out for him he's more of a T7 hold up rune snag play

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 15, 2015, 06:18:55 PM
He is a very good PW and a solid win con rarely do you want to tap out for him he's more of a T7 hold up rune snag play

Anything you suggest I cut for him? And how many do you think I should run?

Hey, should ashiok go back in?

Also I'm thinking about switching out the rune snags for mana leaks. Thoughts? I can delve away leaks, and they're both just as relevant late game from what I'm seeing.

In a budget non Snapcaster deck Rune Snag is better