Budget Jund Midrange 60 cards, 0 sideboard 3 {Rootbound Crag} 3 {Dragonskull Summit} 6 {Forest} 5 {Mountain} 7 {Swamp} 24 lands 4 {Sprouting Thrinax} 3 {Vampire Nighthawk} 2 {Olivia Voldaren} 1 {Huntmaster of the Fells} 4 {Elvish Mystic} 2 {Desecration Demon} 16 creatures 4 {Farseek} 3 {Duress} 3 {Dreadbore} 3 {Flame Slash} 2 {Fireball} 3 {Blightning} 2 {Underworld Connections} 20 other spells |
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 10, 2015, 02:38:57 AMI don't have the budget for Arena, but I do realize that Chant isn't as impressive as I once thought
Deadbridge chant is unplayable in modern. The power level does not justify the mana cost. {Phyrexian Arena} is better.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 02:54:18 AMWell here it is less impressive as it is unplayableQuote from: ConanEdo on May 10, 2015, 02:38:57 AMI don't have the budget for Arena, but I do realize that Chant isn't as impressive as I once thought
Deadbridge chant is unplayable in modern. The power level does not justify the mana cost. {Phyrexian Arena} is better.
Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 08:24:17 AMI want to replace it, but I don't know what to put in its place. Suggestions?Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 02:54:18 AMWell here it is less impressive as it is unplayableQuote from: ConanEdo on May 10, 2015, 02:38:57 AMI don't have the budget for Arena, but I do realize that Chant isn't as impressive as I once thought
Deadbridge chant is unplayable in modern. The power level does not justify the mana cost. {Phyrexian Arena} is better.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:57 PMYes it has burst potential late game but so does literally all the things he just said. Terminate is almost strictly better than Dreadbore. Lightning bolt is one of the best cards in the gameQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 05:35:14 PMFireball and Flameslash are there for budget reasons instead of Banefire and Lightning Bolt. And I like to be able to kill planeswalkers with DreadboreQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:57 PMYes it has burst potential late game but so does literally all the things he just said. Terminate is almost strictly better than Dreadbore. Lightning bolt is one of the best cards in the gameQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:49:07 PMThen Sideboard it. The only walkers widely played in modern can all be bolted. Banefire is like 1 dollar or less. You'd be much better off investing the 8 dollars in a playset of bolts and just use them between all your modern decksQuote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 05:35:14 PMFireball and Flameslash are there for budget reasons instead of Banefire and Lightning Bolt. And I like to be able to kill planeswalkers with DreadboreQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:57 PMYes it has burst potential late game but so does literally all the things he just said. Terminate is almost strictly better than Dreadbore. Lightning bolt is one of the best cards in the gameQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:49:07 PMThere's budget, and then there's saying you don't want to pay for a sub-$5 card.Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 05:35:14 PMFireball and Flameslash are there for budget reasons instead of Banefire and Lightning Bolt. And I like to be able to kill planeswalkers with DreadboreQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:57 PMYes it has burst potential late game but so does literally all the things he just said. Terminate is almost strictly better than Dreadbore. Lightning bolt is one of the best cards in the gameQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Quote from: griffin131 on May 10, 2015, 10:31:10 PMWell, when you get payed $50 every week, $2 and $10 are 2 very different things my friend. And you complaining is not helping me build the deck at all. So please leave constructive feedback or none at allQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:49:07 PMThere's budget, and then there's saying you don't want to pay for a sub-$5 card.Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 05:35:14 PMFireball and Flameslash are there for budget reasons instead of Banefire and Lightning Bolt. And I like to be able to kill planeswalkers with DreadboreQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 05:29:57 PMYes it has burst potential late game but so does literally all the things he just said. Terminate is almost strictly better than Dreadbore. Lightning bolt is one of the best cards in the gameQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 10, 2015, 05:22:12 PMI put in fireball for the burst potential late game, but do you think I need more removal? I already have 3 {Dreadbore} and 3 {Flame Slash}. If I do I'll put in terminates, but I just want your opinionQuote from: Drayton99 on May 10, 2015, 04:39:06 PM
Swapped 2x {Deadbridge Chant} for 2x {Fireball}
If you're going to run something like that {Comet Storm}, {Bonfire of the Damned} and {Banefire} are better options IMO. I'd rather see {Lightning Bolt} or {Terminate} though.
Come on.
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 11, 2015, 01:33:56 AMWhen you word it that way, then it isnt rude. And I agree with you completely about the Bolts. It's just that this is not supposed to be competitive. The most competitive place I would possibly use this is at FNM. And I've never been
If you can't afford Bolt you shouldn't be playing modern. That's not mean or rude, it's just an acknowledgment that if you want to play even at FNM there is a cost to build a decent deck.
Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 11:50:35 PMI'll check it out :)
Just see if you can get duel dark benefited off of someone. They're a dollar a piece and just better than fireball
Quote from: Munchlax on May 10, 2015, 11:50:35 PMCan you link the card. I can't find it :/
Just see if you can get duel dark benefited off of someone. They're a dollar a piece and just better than fireball
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 11, 2015, 01:33:56 AM
If you can't afford Bolt you shouldn't be playing modern. That's not mean or rude, it's just an acknowledgment that if you want to play even at FNM there is a cost to build a decent deck.
Quote from: ConanEdo on May 11, 2015, 02:08:02 PMI'm fine if its like that. Hell, I have 2 {Olivia Volderan} and a {Huntmaster of the Fells} in hereQuote from: LinkCelestrial on May 11, 2015, 01:24:43 PMHonestly, if you asked around the forum, you might be able to bum a bolt or two. I opened enough M11 that I had 20 of the damn things at one point. But yes, there's only so budget you can get. Is it really impossible to get a card that's 6$ for 4 on eBay?Quote from: ConanEdo on May 11, 2015, 01:33:56 AM
If you can't afford Bolt you shouldn't be playing modern. That's not mean or rude, it's just an acknowledgment that if you want to play even at FNM there is a cost to build a decent deck.
This is the "pay to compete" part of magic. The reality is that using the best cards available makes your deck better. You can get away with budget cards but there's a reason for the price gap between {Lightning Bolt} and {Shock}. I understand that the deck is budget but if you like it enough you should invest in it and make it better. The good news is {Lightning Bolt} is getting reprinted in MM2 so it might lower a bit.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 11, 2015, 01:24:43 PMWhaaaaat! I didn't know it was gonna be in MM2. That's quite a bit of good news :DQuote from: ConanEdo on May 11, 2015, 01:33:56 AM
If you can't afford Bolt you shouldn't be playing modern. That's not mean or rude, it's just an acknowledgment that if you want to play even at FNM there is a cost to build a decent deck.
This is the "pay to compete" part of magic. The reality is that using the best cards available makes your deck better. You can get away with budget cards but there's a reason for the price gap between {Lightning Bolt} and {Shock}. I understand that the deck is budget but if you like it enough you should invest in it and make it better. The good news is {Lightning Bolt} is getting reprinted in MM2 so it might lower a bit.
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:05 PMIt might be better to play {Elves of Deep Shadow} here than the mysticQuote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 11, 2015, 04:19:13 PMIf you can't afford birds, the elves if deep shadow will definitely do well, but as Conanedo said if you can't afford 3-5 dollar cards modern isn't the format for youQuote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:05 PMIt might be better to play {Elves of Deep Shadow} here than the mysticQuote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 11, 2015, 04:19:13 PMI didn't know about that card. Hmm, I'll pick some up next time I buy cards online and see how it doesQuote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:05 PMIt might be better to play {Elves of Deep Shadow} here than the mysticQuote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
Quote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 05:09:50 PMQuote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 11, 2015, 04:19:13 PMI didn't know about that card. Hmm, I'll pick some up next time I buy cards online and see how it doesQuote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:05 PMIt might be better to play {Elves of Deep Shadow} here than the mysticQuote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 11, 2015, 06:22:32 PMI plan to pick some up over time to replace the mysticsQuote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 05:09:50 PMQuote from: DimirOverlord1300 on May 11, 2015, 04:19:13 PMI didn't know about that card. Hmm, I'll pick some up next time I buy cards online and see how it doesQuote from: Drayton99 on May 11, 2015, 03:06:05 PMIt might be better to play {Elves of Deep Shadow} here than the mysticQuote from: Kaalia with haste on May 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AMI know dude! I would if I could, but for right now I have to settle for mystic. But it is pretty damn near to the first thing in getting when I can. Right behind some Bolts
{birds of paradise} is 1000000000000000000000% better than elvish mystic. Especially when you're playing so many basics, forest into mystic means no turn 2 vampire nighthawk but forest into birds, into untapped black land is turn 2 nighthawk. Also makes casting sprouting thrinax easier
I recommend just going the extra mile and getting a {Birds of Paradise} or two.