Twice we set up a trade WITH TIME PERIMETERS (needed to arrive by Friday). I constantly made his perimeters, and both times he said "hey I received your end, but I don't have your part anymore. I hope that's okay". NO THAT'S NOT OKAY. I was talking with others, and they agreed he's been kind of shady. Just letting he community be aware of his actions.
Not to counteract or anything but I had a perfectly fine trade with him last week. Just saying all his trades aren't bad.
I had a trade with him for a Snappy. I was told it was near mint, but I received with a decent sized crease in the card. We worked out a value difference and he is currently sending to me to make up for it. We'll see how it goes.
IMO make him send first or use middleman.
Just to throw my 2 cents in, I had a successful trade with him for a lily OTV
Name these 'others'. I've made sure my time here has been good. Its just one of those times I had 5 trades going on and forgot about your end.
Also to mention you came back with wanting $25 worth of cards for a trade of less than $20.
And for PapaBudz, I have NEVER sent a damaged card on purpose. If I had a snappy that was damaged, he'd never get traded off.
I had trades going with 5 people, I simply forgot. And I successfully sent out to everyone but you because I forgot, I have pretty bad memory with the past
The others being Falcon, Kaalia, and dimir,
The trade is for a THS {thought seize}. That is worth $20. I want $25 because this is the second time you've misrepresented yourself,
Yeah. I can't see that going.
I feel for Esper on this one, sometimes things slip people's minds. I don't believe someone should pay for it in more value unless the card traded somehow depreciated in value over the extended period of time. We know nothing about eachother's lives outside of this app, unless this is an occurrence that happens very often, then just have him send first. He hasn't flaked from the site or stolen any cards (that I know of.) and to err is human.
Quote from: Noblellama on April 13, 2015, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on April 13, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
I feel for Esper on this one, sometimes things slip people's minds. I don't believe someone should pay for it in more value unless the card traded somehow depreciated in value over the extended period of time. We know nothing about eachother's lives outside of this app, unless this is an occurrence that happens very often, then just have him send first. He hasn't flaked from the site or stolen any cards (that I know of.) and to err is human.
Which is why being a llama means I don't mess up :)
but there is truth in what you say Otis
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Quote from: Esper on April 13, 2015, 05:37:07 PM
And for PapaBudz, I have NEVER sent a damaged card on purpose. If I had a snappy that was damaged, he'd never get traded off.
I believe you, I wouldn't either. It's possible it was damaged during shipping, but either way we have come to an agreement. When our trade is completed I will move you to my trusted list.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on April 13, 2015, 05:48:33 PM
The others being Falcon, Kaalia, and dimir,
The trade is for a THS {thought seize}. That is worth $20. I want $25 because this is the second time you've misrepresented yourself,
Wait what? I've complained about rothestine and sometimes ibtrickey but my one trade with esper went fine and it was of reasonably high value.
Thank you Otis, very much. Kaalia, you are good to me. And as for the llama. Self explanatory. 😁
Also truffle:
Open a trial, a public witch hunt with one side of the story isn't fair to the accused
We mods are also available as middlemen always.
I believe his snap was damaged in the trade with papabudz for not having the DO NOT BEND stamp on it and it went through a machine
Hard loaders to not stop USPS machines from pain
The older traders here normally use padded envelopes and track (Papabudz, Infinite) while most of the kids who live with their parents still (sorry but its true) use a plain white envelope and stamp and have no idea how to get to a post office. Take note from your nicer packages.
Trading online is the best there is for value, there are risks involved but when you're an amazing trader in the community many will vouch for you. I've gotten a good presence on FB also, I'm starting Pucatrade now too, but this place is the best traders I've met (because we are all forum geeks too) so lets not cast stones due to technical errors in a trade in the trade forum, it cast black eyes and spite.
Just don't trade with someone if you don't like their style. Realize that people also don't know how to send mail or double check. It happens, let them fix it or let them face the consequences of lying after the fact, but give it time before you ring the town bell for the witch hunt
I'm sorry. Next time I'll make sure to start a trial. I know that things slip from people's minds, but this is the second time I've traded with him and the second time I've had an issue with s trade with him. I didn't feel like it was a big enough deal to make a trial, but that the community should know.
Also sorry to Kaalia. One of you Chicagoians said that in our group chat.
Quote from: donnie355 on April 13, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
I have a trade with esper right now. I spoke with clt about being worried on sending at the same time. He didn't want to use middleman only send at same time. I have a trade with clt at same time and put both in mailbox on same day and sent "sent" to both parties. The trade was for thoughtseize and flooded strand for several of my cards equalling about 35 bucks. I get a message late that night saying he wasn't going to send me the thoughtseize that he would send something else instead. So happen I get up at 4 for work checked my box both packages were still there so I took his out. I told him forget it. He sends back apologizing saying he would send first if I still wanted to do the trade.
I said no problem so now I'm awaiting his part. Should be here by Wednesday if he sent when he said he did. But I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he just got his wires crossed and hope mine arrived by then. If not I'll never speak to him about another trade again.
Did he never have a seize to begin with? He told me he sent to someone else, he told you he wasn't going to send it...
Quote from: Noblellama on April 13, 2015, 10:54:10 PM
I tried for both thoughtsiezes but he says his brother has "dibs" in case he needs them
...so three different stories....
Not three. I'm using them in my brothers Esper. My brother trades from me or I let him use my cards. I can trade them off, its just that rotation is up soon enough.
Had three seizes. One got traded off. I'm not a liar about cards I have for trade. Truffle, you're trying to make me look like a bad guy. I clearly did nothing wrong to you and I don't have problems with anyone on the forum. If anyone has a problem with me, they can just talk to me. I don't lie like that. Yes, I live with my parents. I'm going on 18 soon. Age has nothing to do with trading purposes. I simply forgot about our deal.. I forget even simple homework.
Let me state on "I did nothing wrong to you". I messed up on our deal. I took advice from a wise llama and I'm going to start using a trade journal.
100% relevant question: what the heck is going on in your profile pic esper?
Madhatter from 'Alice in Wonderland'. Is it disturbing or..?
Quote from: Esper on April 13, 2015, 11:07:40 PM
Age has nothing to do with trading purposes.
yes it does,all of the problem trades are primarily with people under 21
Oh, my bad.. Well, I don't mean to harm the community.
Quote from: Esper on April 13, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Madhatter from 'Alice in Wonderland'. Is it disturbing or..?
Not disturbing. Confusing lol. You can change it back I don't think anyone minded
Ahh, haha.
Yes it is.
As for anyone who I've not traded with, or have traded with, if you feel that I am not trusted, I can always do middleman. And from now on, will make sure no cards are damaged. Ever. Donnie and Llama if it's okay, can you update the post on when you get my end, due to them being higher end cards.
Thank you. 😁
I'm cheap so I never do middle man xD
If I'm nervous about a trader I tell them to send first due to my 100% satisfactory trade history 😚
Truffle, I responded to your pm at 4:30 p.m. Yesterday. Stop saying I never did.
Thank you, very much. 😊 Might I add, I love ojutai's command so much, haha.
We've started to work this out, but I'm digging it back up. Our trade involved me sending him a DL Silumgar, and he believes it's within his rights to send it back. I'm on the other side, in saying that if he traded for something and ended up with another in the meantime, then now he has more trade fodder. That doesn't justify him retconning our trade.
Quote from: Taysby on April 16, 2015, 01:03:34 PM
That isn't necessarily "wrong" but if he does that he should get flagged as a renneger on the untrustworthy traders list.
I concur. This seems completely reasonable to me. I, for one, feel that when a deal is made, it is, to say the least, very rude to change or go back on said deal.
What he is saying is entirely wrong. I am saying that i am happy to trade for part of the trade, but just send the DL back. I'm not forcefully saying i am sending it back.
If you're sending his card back, you should atleast include an extra stamp to cover the waste of him sending you the card in the first place.. 😰
"I'll have to message a mod to see if there s something i can do. If not, i'll have to send the cards back.."
A quote from the PM. I don't think that's how a trade works, sir. I sent you cards. You didn't have the card you agreed to send me. You somehow got another copy of one of the cards I sent you. You are trying to send that card back. When I said that you should keep the cards you wanted and send me value since you got rid of the cards you were going to send me, you said you'd talk to mods or send my entire trade back. That's not flying too well with me.
I agree with Otis. also, truffle, you're saying you want $34 on my end. also not flying..
Quote from: Esper on April 16, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
I agree with Otis. also, truffle, you're saying you want $34 on my end. also not flying..
No, I am saying that the {aether vial} and {sacred foundry} were the only cards I liked out of the small set of cards you uploaded to your haves.
{Sacred Foundry} almost totals the {Hero's Downfall} and {Stratus dancer} Pre Release.
Quote from: Esper on April 16, 2015, 02:39:26 PM
{Sacred Foundry} almost totals the {Hero's Downfall} and {Stratus dancer} Pre Release.
The prices we agreed on were $7 dancer $7 downfall $6 Silumgar. If you're going to send the Silumgar back, just send all of it back. Not too happy with this.
Even though it's not $7, and wasn't at the time. But that's fine.
"7 dancer + 6 DL + 7 downfall?"
"That's fine. Unless you have a regular dancer"
This is quoted from my inbox. I can screenshot if you want me to.
Esper. You said you had cards that you didn't have. You cannot send cards back once you have already received. Just man up and deliver value back to truffle, and stop trying to wiggle your way out of it. You had a deal, and you broke it, and it's your job to fix it.
I did have his end. I stated I forgot about our trade.
Quote from: Esper on April 16, 2015, 03:45:25 PM
I did have his end. I stated I forgot about our trade.
Alright. So that's still your fault. And it's still your job to fix it.
He's stated he wants his end back.
Quote from: Esper on April 16, 2015, 03:59:42 PM
He's stated he wants his end back.
I've stated that I would prefer you send value, as said many times before. That is the easy fix to this issue. It's common courtesy. However, if you adamant about sending back my dragon lord, then I would like all of the pieces back. And that is keeping you on my untrusted traders list.
Esper.
You have tried to fix your shipping mistake with me and it hasn't gotten fixed yet. That is both our faults as we have had slow communications.
Do you have an updated list of cards to cover the $5 cash you owe me, or the money?
Leat, I have a thread titled 'final esper list...', go ahead and let me know and I'll get it out.
Ok. I'll PM you ether then make everyone listen to me talk about specific cards
Just wanted to pop in and say props to esper, he made a mistake because he's human, we all .love. up sometimes. It would've been really easy to just vanish from the forum and hold on to everything and no one would have a way to contact him again, instead he's here and from my end it seems like he's handling all this pretty reasonably. Note that I'm not saying this means he shouldn't make up for his mistakes or even he should be taken off the untrusted traders list, I'm just saying he's handling this very well.
I've got a whole conversation with Esper screenshotted because the .poo. he was saying when we were trying to set up a trade was so all over the place that I had to show my friends to see if they understood and I was just stupid. As it turns out, I'm not stupid. It wasn't that he was untrustworthy or anything, but god damn it I couldn't for ANYTHING get a straight answer out of this guy. Again, it wasn't shady or anything, just ungodly frustrating.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on April 16, 2015, 04:49:24 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say props to esper, he made a mistake because he's human, we all .love. up sometimes. It would've been really easy to just vanish from the forum and hold on to everything and no one would have a way to contact him again, instead he's here and from my end it seems like he's handling all this pretty reasonably. Note that I'm not saying this means he shouldn't make up for his mistakes or even he should be taken off the untrusted traders list, I'm just saying he's handling this very well.
I agree. I don't want to see another mob started against anyone, and his actions seem to be doing a good job a keeping that from happening. Though he can be frustrating to work with, I've never seen a real attitude problem or anything from him. 👌
Very true, it's mainly because I got scammed a couple times over another online trading for close to $40, so I kinda tend to be that way. I will not be doing that anymore, and will be sending the amount promised to truffle.
And I'm on the Facebook mtg group. Otis is on there with me as well.
You and llama have received, along with kaalia. I was the one who over reacted over a dragon, which I don't mind using after sideboard to surprise the opponent.
Had success we did use a middleman