so is it fair to say that Dragonlord Atarka would whoop on Nicol Bolas for days?
Maybe in game. But lore-wise??? What are you smoking???
Atarka is a brainless, gluttonous slob that can't think beyond her nose.
Bolas has controlled and manipulated planeswalkers, caused the 5 Shards of Alara to converge, re-released the Eldrazi and has lived for tens of thousands of years. He created a freaking time rift in his first planeswalker battle. His touch destroys your mind.
He reads libraries. Can Atarka do that?
The thing I love about Bolas, is, with all his power, he is still a minuscule version of his old self from before the cataclysm
M8 not even all the dragon lords combined could defeat Bolas
Nicol Bolas is one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse.
Atarka is just a big Dragon.
Bolas will fly past atarka, knock out all the spells and then turn atarka to a frog and eat him.
Even game wise {Nicol Bolas} will defeat {dragon lord Atarka}. Remember that hand you cast him from? Gone now. Atarka will hit the grave before he even sees play.
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 11, 2015, 04:24:09 AM
Even game wise {Nicol Bolas} will defeat {dragon lord Atarka}. Remember that hand you cast him from? Gone now. Atarka will hit the grave before he even sees play.
{Nicol Bolas} comes down a turn later. Just sayin. But there's {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} who'd just control Atarak. Or {Slave of Bolas}. Or {Cruel Ultimatuim}.
At least {Atarak's Command} might be playable one day.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 12, 2015, 12:16:56 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 11, 2015, 04:24:09 AM
Even game wise {Nicol Bolas} will defeat {dragon lord Atarka}. Remember that hand you cast him from? Gone now. Atarka will hit the grave before he even sees play.
{Nicol Bolas} comes down a turn later. Just sayin. But there's {Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker} who'd just control Atarak. Or {Slave of Bolas}. Or {Cruel Ultimatuim}.
At least {Atarak's Command} might be playable one day.
{elvish piper} says he's not. And then have him ping the opponent.
But all in all, Bolas wins. That is, until BG Garruk walks by :p
Back to Bolas.
He's 25,000 years old. His family won the elder dragon war. They then proceeded to remove the losers limbs creating wurms.
1,280 years ago beat up Ugin, source of Atarka's power. Manipulated Yasova into releasing ancient temur magics that turned the dragon tempests against Ugin. In the Khans timeline, that was lethal.
But wait there's more. Present day Tarkir, in the Khans timeline, Sarkhan goes mad from lack of dragons, and the voice of dead Ugin. Planewalks to find dragons, and winds up in Grixis, serving Bolas. Coincidence? I think not.
The events of Fate ReForged occurs, where Sarkhan saves Ugin, restoring dragons to Tarkir. So why did Bolas ever kill Ugin?
Theory 1: Because he can.
Theory 2: On the plane of Zendikar, Ugin used the Ghostfire to seal away the Eldrazi. Ugin wouldn't ever release the Eldrazi on his own, because he's such a nice guy. Sarkhan, on the other hand, is crazy and has no memory of the Eldrazi (sealed away 6,000 years ago). Bolas sends Sarkhan, and tricks Chandra and Jace, into the Eye of Ugin, where the seal that holds the Eldrazi is located.
TL;DR Bolas had a plan to unleash the Eldrazi, that took 1,280+ years to come full circle. And destroyed Atarka in a timeline that he also destroyed.
That story is longer than I can remember at one time. Please tell me if I skipped over anything important.
Lore. Gotta live it :)
Great post
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 14, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
And how powerful he is now is only a fraction of how powerful he used to be...
On another note: I don't think Neo-Walker can create planes. Pre-Mending, walkers, they could... Mirrodin, Phyrexia
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 14, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
And how powerful he is now is only a fraction of how powerful he used to be...
On another note: I don't think Neo-Walker can create planes. Pre-Mending, walkers, they could... Mirrodin, Phyrexia
Serra's Realm is an example of what happens to a created plane, my wuestion is why did Karn's plane (Argentum/Mirroden) succeed where Serra's realm failed?
And let us not forget that there are still pre-mending walkers hanging out... Sorin Markov, Nahiri and Ugin are are old enough if im not mistaken, Karn lost Glacien's/Urzas spark but gained neo-walker Venser's spark
Artificial planes need constant monitering... This could be why Phyrexia and Mirrodin survive...
But who knows?
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 14, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
And how powerful he is now is only a fraction of how powerful he used to be...
On another note: I don't think Neo-Walker can create planes. Pre-Mending, walkers, they could... Mirrodin, Phyrexia
Serra's Realm is an example of what happens to a created plane, my wuestion is why did Karn's plane (Argentum/Mirroden) succeed where Serra's realm failed?
And let us not forget that there are still pre-mending walkers hanging out... Sorin Markov, Nahiri and Ugin are are old enough if im not mistaken, Karn lost Glacien's/Urzas spark but gained neo-walker Venser's spark
Artificial planes need constant monitering... This could be why Phyrexia and Mirrodin survive...
But who knows?
So with Yawgmoth gone, who stewards the 9 spheres?
And Memnarch used to watch over Mirroden after Karn had watched over Argentum, but now who is the steward?\ with the phyrexian presense?
Yawgmoth didn't make Phyrexia... Phyrexian was already there when he found it... But he did make it into what it became...
It wasn't always a violent, infected place...
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 14, 2015, 03:16:43 PM
true fact. The robots in mirrodin were originally the wildlife. Myr were little bunnies and whatnot that were kidnapped by an evil scientist named Yawgmoth and transformed into horrific robots that try to kill humans. The goal to cure mirrodin is for the planeswalkers to run around at high speeds and jump on robots heads to transform them back and collect magical "rings". Then after they collected enough rings they ended up fighting Yawgmoth in one if his many contraptions and then released the animals back into mirrodin.
Nice Sonic reference lol
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 14, 2015, 03:16:43 PM
true fact. The robots in mirrodin were originally the wildlife. Myr were little bunnies and whatnot that were kidnapped by an evil scientist named Yawgmoth and transformed into horrific robots that try to kill humans. The goal to cure mirrodin is for the planeswalkers to run around at high speeds and jump on robots heads to transform them back and collect magical "rings". Then after they collected enough rings they ended up fighting Yawgmoth in one if his many contraptions and then released the animals back into mirrodin.
Are you talking about Urznic the Hedgemage?
and his brother Mishtail?
The arch-villian Dr. Robyawgmothnic?
I thought it was Dr. Eggmoth... 😢
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 14, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
And how powerful he is now is only a fraction of how powerful he used to be...
On another note: I don't think Neo-Walker can create planes. Pre-Mending, walkers, they could... Mirrodin, Phyrexia
Serra's Realm is an example of what happens to a created plane, my wuestion is why did Karn's plane (Argentum/Mirroden) succeed where Serra's realm failed?
And let us not forget that there are still pre-mending walkers hanging out... Sorin Markov, Nahiri and Ugin are are old enough if im not mistaken, Karn lost Glacien's/Urzas spark but gained neo-walker Venser's spark
Artificial planes need constant monitering... This could be why Phyrexia and Mirrodin survive...
But who knows?
So with Yawgmoth gone, who stewards the 9 spheres?
And Memnarch used to watch over Mirroden after Karn had watched over Argentum, but now who is the steward?\ with the phyrexian presense?
Yawgmoth didn't make Phyrexia... Phyrexian was already there when he found it... But he did make it into what it became...
It wasn't always a violent, infected place...
He didn't create it, but he had another planeswalker do it for him
Quote from: Noblellama on April 14, 2015, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 14, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on April 14, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Anyone ever read Test of Metal? It's mainly about tezzeret but the very end reminds you just how powerful Bolas really is
And how powerful he is now is only a fraction of how powerful he used to be...
On another note: I don't think Neo-Walker can create planes. Pre-Mending, walkers, they could... Mirrodin, Phyrexia
Serra's Realm is an example of what happens to a created plane, my wuestion is why did Karn's plane (Argentum/Mirroden) succeed where Serra's realm failed?
And let us not forget that there are still pre-mending walkers hanging out... Sorin Markov, Nahiri and Ugin are are old enough if im not mistaken, Karn lost Glacien's/Urzas spark but gained neo-walker Venser's spark
Yeah, Sorin created Innistrad, I think
Quote from: Noblellama on April 15, 2015, 08:47:15 AM
And I though Sorin was from Innistraad, not the creator of...
Correct. Sorin is from Innistrad. He created Avacyn.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 15, 2015, 10:41:20 AM
{Sorin, Lord of Omnistrad} is buff as hell
It's the plate mail he's wearing.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on April 15, 2015, 11:56:21 PM
In the DD version he's posing and it looks much more intense
I like to non-DD versions of his PW form. To me, he's standing on the mountaintop, saying "I rule over I see... Come at me bro!!!"
Quote from: rarehuntertay on April 15, 2015, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on April 15, 2015, 08:47:15 AM
And I though Sorin was from Innistraad, not the creator of...
Correct. Sorin is from Innistrad. He created Avacyn.
Oh! My bad, that's the one!