So. Wizards decided to not ban or unban anything, meaning that they think the format is stable. Do you guys agree? Here is my opinion. They should have banned.
{Siege Rhino}
And unbanned
{Something that makes control good again.}
Opinions?
Well modern right now is really unhealthy.
Quote from: Munchlax on March 25, 2015, 03:14:12 PM
Well modern right now is really unhealthy.
Explain pls. I think it's not as bad as it was, but still is being dominated by twin and Abzan.
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:18:52 PM
Siege rhino isn't good enough to be banned. It's just a good cmc 4 spell that's fits in a good chunk of decks.
Tbh I think you could argue for something from twin (like {sleight of hand} or something small) should be banned to turn it down from a 10 to a 9. Lots of people play it, and it's borderline too good for the current format, because control has disappeared, and burn has started hiding.
I don't care about twin, because I side 4 {rending volley}, 4 {back to nature}, main 4 {oblivion stone} etc. but it is the only super fast/consistent combo deck in the meta.
Ban Exarch, leave them {Pestermite}?
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:18:52 PM
Siege rhino isn't good enough to be banned. It's just a good cmc 4 spell that's fits in a good chunk of decks.
Tbh I think you could argue for something from twin (like {sleight of hand} or something small) should be banned to turn it down from a 10 to a 9. Lots of people play it, and it's borderline too good for the current format, because control has disappeared, and burn has started hiding.
I don't care about twin, because I side 4 {rending volley}, 4 {back to nature}, main 4 {oblivion stone} etc. but it is the only super fast/consistent combo deck in the meta.
4 back to nature in the board isn't that a bit excessive?
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on March 25, 2015, 03:08:03 PM
{Something that makes control good again.}
{Wielding the green dragon} looks good for control XD
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on March 25, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:18:52 PM
Siege rhino isn't good enough to be banned. It's just a good cmc 4 spell that's fits in a good chunk of decks.
Tbh I think you could argue for something from twin (like {sleight of hand} or something small) should be banned to turn it down from a 10 to a 9. Lots of people play it, and it's borderline too good for the current format, because control has disappeared, and burn has started hiding.
I don't care about twin, because I side 4 {rending volley}, 4 {back to nature}, main 4 {oblivion stone} etc. but it is the only super fast/consistent combo deck in the meta.
4 back to nature in the board isn't that a bit excessive?
My meta of about 6ish real decks has 2 boggles, and there are other assorted cases where it's useful. And there's not much else I'd rather have. Only slightly tempting other option is spells kite for infect.
I mean spellskite seems better because
1. It's good against boggles too
2. It's good against twin
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 04:01:00 PM
It's also very life heavy. Back to nature seems a lot better. If he has his spirit dancer out, I let him churn out all his enchantments, then nature. With kite, he'd drain me of life, and keep throwing stuff on.
Against twin, they usually cryptic it back to my hand, then combo.
That's fair I guess. I'm used to having one boggles deck in a 12-13 deck meta and that guy never shows up really.
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Not that big. One of their cantrips would be fine.
Then they'll just replace it and not change too much. No?
Modern is healthyish right now.
No bans are needed but I agree in and are needed. JtMS AND BBE can be unbanned IMO also Siege Rhino is not ban worthy
I miss DRS
But BBE, DRS, and JTMS are scary...
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 25, 2015, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: Taysby on March 25, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Not that big. One of their cantrips would be fine.
Then they'll just replace it and not change too much. No?
It wouldn't be as good of a cantrips. Like I said, it'd just be to take it down a tiny notch.
I feel like other decks would be hurt more. Idk.
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
IMO? No.
Quote from: Mattao19 on March 25, 2015, 06:10:19 PM
Modern is healthyish right now.
No bans are needed but I agree in and are needed. JtMS AND BBE can be unbanned IMO also Siege Rhino is not ban worthy
This basically sums up everything I was thinking. I also wouldn't mind seeing DRS honestly.
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
What's BBE?
{Bloodbraid Elf}
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
It's not oppressive. Yes it's present a lot but it's really just an efficient beater. It's expensive yes, but I think it just needs a standard reprint. If it was banned it could just be replaced at this point by a delve creature. It's not really a card to ban, more like something that they need to deal with the price of.
Please no BBE.... Free lilianas, free Tarms, free Bobs, I will be having nightmares tonight....
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on March 25, 2015, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
It's not oppressive. Yes it's present a lot but it's really just an efficient beater. It's expensive yes, but I think it just needs a standard reprint. If it was banned it could just be replaced at this point by a delve creature. It's not really a card to ban, more like something that they need to deal with the price of.
Ha ha ha! {Tarmogoyf} reprint in standard?!? That's funny!
Oh wait, you were serious...
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on March 25, 2015, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
It's not oppressive. Yes it's present a lot but it's really just an efficient beater. It's expensive yes, but I think it just needs a standard reprint. If it was banned it could just be replaced at this point by a delve creature. It's not really a card to ban, more like something that they need to deal with the price of.
Ha ha ha! {Tarmogoyf} reprint in standard?!? That's funny!
Oh wait, you were serious...
Jk jk, I know what you mean ;)
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
Sorry, but Is there a reason wizards shouldn't ban Goyf in modern?
It shouldn't be banned. It's 2 mana for a good creature, but it's no DRS. It's efficient is what it is.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
I'm with you. Five signed copies of DRS....
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 25, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
I'm with you. Five signed copies of DRS....
I just need to get my playset back, but everyone is holding on to theirs
Quote from: Teysa karlov on March 26, 2015, 03:57:05 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 25, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
I'm with you. Five signed copies of DRS....
I just need to get my playset back, but everyone is holding on to theirs
I've got one for trade ;)
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 26, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
I wonder what wizards thought to themselves when they printed DRS?
Thanks.
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 26, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 26, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
I wonder what wizards thought to themselves when they printed DRS?
They thought a 1 mana PW would be cool. Instead they just made it a creature. Funny thing is that it probably would be worse as a 1 mana PW
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 25, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
I'm with you. Five signed copies of DRS....
9 unsigned copies and still trading for more 😰
Quote from: gtfotis on March 27, 2015, 06:58:42 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 25, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on March 25, 2015, 09:32:25 PM
I have a foil {bloodbraid elf} just waiting to be unbanned. The day it happens(if it happens) I'm selling/trading it.
I'm with you. Five signed copies of DRS....
9 unsigned copies and still trading for more 😰
One of the guys at my LGS has 9 foils (one signed) and 27 regular ones
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 26, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 26, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
I wonder what wizards thought to themselves when they printed DRS?
Simple. They only test Limited and Standard. They do not test other formats such as Modern or Legacy.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 27, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 26, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 26, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
I wonder what wizards thought to themselves when they printed DRS?
Simple. They only test Limited and Standard. They do not test other formats such as Modern or Legacy.
Which is a pretty big oversight. I'd love to do the testing for Modern.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 27, 2015, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: Skullguy725 on March 26, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on March 26, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Splicer on March 26, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
Can anyone tell me what DRS is?
{Deathrite Shaman}. Ridiculous with fetches, can grind out matches, ramps, gains life, and blocks random 1/1s. All for one mana.
I wonder what wizards thought to themselves when they printed DRS?
Simple. They only test Limited and Standard. They do not test other formats such as Modern or Legacy.
that is not true. ....I have heard maro say they consider the effects of cards on eternal formats
Fact is when they print hundreds of new cards each year......some abusive power cards will slip through the cracks or some weird combo or synergy with old cards could be overlooked
I just want top unbanned so I can play miracles.
I just want top unbanned so I can play miracles.
If they really wanna promote diversity, ban 85% of the fetch, shock, and similar lands. Every top deck I see it play against is only good because of the $800 worth of lands they play in 2 turns to set up a t3 win.
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 31, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
If they really wanna promote diversity, ban 85% of the fetch, shock, and similar lands. Every top deck I see it play against is only good because of the $800 worth of lands they play in 2 turns to set up a t3 win.
Banning lands would be shallow and dumb, you're saying this out of bitterness for a good format where you are tired of losing to one deck that combos on t3. If anything were to be banned my vote goes to {Splinter Twin} or {Summer Bloom)
Quote from: Munchlax on March 31, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 31, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
If they really wanna promote diversity, ban 85% of the fetch, shock, and similar lands. Every top deck I see it play against is only good because of the $800 worth of lands they play in 2 turns to set up a t3 win.
Banning lands would be shallow and dumb, you're saying this out of bitterness for a good format where you are tired of losing to one deck that combos on t3. If anything were to be banned my vote goes to {Splinter Twin} or {Summer Bloom)
Banning all but basics would be interesting to see.
Quote from: Rass on March 31, 2015, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on March 31, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 31, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
If they really wanna promote diversity, ban 85% of the fetch, shock, and similar lands. Every top deck I see it play against is only good because of the $800 worth of lands they play in 2 turns to set up a t3 win.
Banning lands would be shallow and dumb, you're saying this out of bitterness for a good format where you are tired of losing to one deck that combos on t3. If anything were to be banned my vote goes to {Splinter Twin} or {Summer Bloom)
Banning all but basics would be interesting to see.
Mono Black Devotion comes out of the shadows for another terrorizing season.
Mono Blue Devotion resurfaces for a tidal wave of victory.
Mono White Soul Sisters revives for another extensively long game.
RDW keeps on trucking.
Green devotion kinda sucks without {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx}.
Could be fun.
Actually a lot of pros want fetches banned for a cpl reasons main ones being:
1. Shuffling every turn is very time consuming sounds lame but it's so true
2. Mana is too good (this is less of an argument bc it's supposed to be good) but it's true players can't get greedy with splashes (RWG Burn splashing for cruise ..)