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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Munchlax on March 15, 2015, 08:57:17 AM

Title: Opalescence
Post by: Munchlax on March 15, 2015, 08:57:17 AM
ok, so I have an {Opalessence} and my opponent has a {Master of the feast} what happens to the master?
Title: Re: Opalescence
Post by: Kaylesh on March 15, 2015, 09:26:25 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on March 15, 2015, 08:57:17 AM
ok, so I have an {Opalessence} and my opponent has a {Master of the feast} what happens to the master?
Opalesence gives master a base p/t of 3/3, since master is an enchantment. I would think this overrides his normal pt.
Ruling to support:
302.4c (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=302.4c): To determine a creature's power and toughness, start with the numbers printed in its lower right corner, then apply any applicable continuous effects. (See rule 613, "Interaction of Continuous Effects.")

So, you start at 5/5, then apply the {opalessence} effect, making him 3/3.
Title: Re: Opalescence
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 15, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
From Theros release notes:
If an enchantment creature is turned into a creature (using Opalescence, for example), its printed power and toughness will be overwritten by the power and toughness defined by the animating effect. It will retain any supertypes and subtypes it may have had unless the animating effect specifically overwrites them.
Title: Re: Opalescence
Post by: Kaylesh on March 15, 2015, 09:44:13 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 15, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
From Theros release notes:
If an enchantment creature is turned into a creature (using Opalescence, for example), its printed power and toughness will be overwritten by the power and toughness defined by the animating effect. It will retain any supertypes and subtypes it may have had unless the animating effect specifically overwrites them.
Tx. Supports what I derived from the rulings, nice to know.
Title: Re: Opalescence
Post by: Remillo on March 15, 2015, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 15, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
I don't quite understand the ruling on that though... how is it that an auxiliary card can overwrite the creature type and everything but it doesn't overwrite p/t?

You have that backwards.  The only thing that changes is the Power and Toughness.  If I have a Courser of Kruphix and you play Opal, Courser is now a 3/3 instead of a 2/4, but it also keeps the subtype Centuar.
Title: Re: Opalescence
Post by: Kaylesh on March 15, 2015, 10:26:25 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 15, 2015, 10:24:09 AM
I don't quite understand the ruling on that though... how is it that an auxiliary card can overwrite the creature type and everything but it doesn't overwrite p/t?
But it does... It's effect overwrites the printed pt

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