so as many of us on the forum have traded at least once, some of us more than, I have to ask, what is the point of banning someone for ripping someone off?
Sure, it prevents further incidents but doesn't the ultimate law say that the repercussions should make it as if is didn't happen?
What else can we do?
I just want to say to anyone who potentially is thinking about ripping people off, I have been stolen from twice in this forum, and if you decide to be the third, im buying a plane ticket and you will get a visit from me.
Wait, if I rip you off you'll come visit me‽ omg it'll be the best party ever! Don't forget to bring like, ALL your magic cards. :D
In other news I'll give you 30 foil {Bronze Sable}s for a {Cancel}.
How to trade safely:
Be diligent before trading with people and take the proper steps to protect yourself and have good trades here.
We have two threads set up for members to look through of "Trusted Traders" and "Untrustworthy Traders". If you have not traded with a particular member before, check the proper threads to see if they are on either. It doesn't hurt to crosscheck the names with other trusted traders and to see how many different people have listed them one way or the other.
We offer a Middle-Man service for high value trades or any trades that anyone feels might require it (such as trading with unknown/new traders/members on the untrustworthy list). This service is free. Learn about the service here.
If a trade sounds too good to be true, it probably is!! The app pulls the prices right from TCG, so there should never be a doubt on card value and what each party is receiving.
A note to new users: Many established traders may ask you to send your end first before they send their end out. This is to protect themselves from potential scammers since you will have little or no trading history. If they are trusted traders and you are comfortable with sending first, by all means, go ahead. If you are uneasy about doing so, utilize the middle-man service. We created it for good reason! After enough successful trades, you too will become trusted traders.
With that being said, after each trade it is good practice and courtesy to add users to your own trusted traders list in the trusted traders thread and to note anything of importance. It can also be a nice gesture to leave a comment on their private page for others to see as they browse that persons page.
Well, a few people and I sent stuff to Cender to make up for his loss. Something like that?
No it makes sense.
I agree with you noble, but I'm of the opinion that when I send someone cards, there is a possibility that I will get nothing in return. How many other hobbies a have you ever seen that people just send strangers stuff in the mail? Not many. It sucks, but there is an inherent risk. All you can do is try to minimize the impact. That's just my opinion, every card I ship I expect to get ripped off. That way when I don't, it's exciting.
Quote from: Wingnut on February 24, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
I agree with you noble, but I'm of the opinion that when I send someone cards, there is a possibility that I will get nothing in return. How many other hobbies a have you ever seen that people just send strangers stuff in the mail? Not many. It sucks, but there is an inherent risk. All you can do is try to minimize the impact. That's just my opinion, every card I ship I expect to get ripped off. That way when I don't, it's exciting.
YES I GOT YOUR 100th KARMA POINT.
(off topic but WHOOO)
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on February 24, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on February 24, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
I agree with you noble, but I'm of the opinion that when I send someone cards, there is a possibility that I will get nothing in return. How many other hobbies a have you ever seen that people just send strangers stuff in the mail? Not many. It sucks, but there is an inherent risk. All you can do is try to minimize the impact. That's just my opinion, every card I ship I expect to get ripped off. That way when I don't, it's exciting.
YES I GOT YOUR 100th KARMA POINT.
(off topic but WHOOO)
BLAM!!!!! There it is folks, I'm now a real boy. I would like to thank the lord above (which is obviously noblellama disguised), I'd like to thank my mom and dad, I'd like to thank G.I.Joe for keeping me alive with the PSA's and last of all, I'd like to thank the community of iMtg for oozing copious amounts of slimmy awesomeness.
I think the sour taste is that the two most recent trials (Skyshadow and sprite guy -not to lump them together) are both from established traders. There are a few other usernames on the untrustworthy list that are also vouched for on individual trusted lists. Sometimes it comes down to "oh yeah you post here all the time! You are trustworthy!" When clearly there are some off kilter moral compasses out there.
Noblellama - your suggestion on being unable to trade unless vouched for has one main flaw - it basically means no new blood will ever come in to trade.
I understand fully that it is a trade at your own risk scenario. I don't really believe in the "community will make up for it" either (though that's not to say I'm not appreciative of the support!). Not only is it not sustainable, it also is open to scams as well.
I think Rass is on point. The level of risk you assume is up to you. Use middlemen as you feel necessary. Make others send first when you have the rep to do so, and trade with other trusted traders as much as possible.
My first trade on here (not too long ago) was with Muggywuggy while I was still wary of the whole trading through mail idea. I chose to trade with him because it was the closest thing to a sure thing that I wouldn't get cheated, and even then I used tracking and paranoia to ensure the deal was a successful one.
I haven't had any problems with trades, but I'm im no way blind to the flaws in the system, or the risks involved. I'm on the same level as Wingnut. I plan on getting ripped off. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure it's a matter of time.
To Noble's point, the problem, as previously stated, is that it limits the ability of new traders. And we already kinda have some elitist issues around here. Arbitrarily deciding that no one can trade without passing a test, and never making that test available is gonna make our community seem even more elitist and arrogant and then we won't have any new community members anymore either. It's a very slippery slope.
New traders send first, mod vouchers for trades 50$ or more?
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on February 24, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
New traders send first
This is how I started. I made a few trades, offered to send first, and went from there. And tbh, I trusted everyone on here about as much as I was trusted, so I sent off cards that I didn't care about. If they ended up stolen, I didn't lose anything I cared about. But not everyone has that mentality. I am def open to a better system, but it has to be one that will be good for established members of the community, as well as provide a safe and trusted method for new traders. Something that will ease a new traders fears of being ripped off by a group (s)he knows nothing about and has few, if any, trustable references that aren't an integrated part of community
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on February 24, 2015, 04:55:03 PM
And we already kinda have some elitist issues around here.
wut
Quote from: Cender on February 24, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
I think Rass is on point. The level of risk you assume is up to you. Use middlemen as you feel necessary. Make others send first when you have the rep to do so, and trade with other trusted traders as much as possible.
That was just a part of http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=41875.0#bottom it was easier to just copy the part I wanted then try to quote it so I did that.
I'm with Nobel on this one, have several trusted traders be the "safety net" for a failed trade. Having traded with llama and issues arriving that still got resolved I would vouch for any of his trades up to $50 should he back out, because we all know those llama's are prone to running off with pretty cardboard.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 24, 2015, 07:09:55 PM
What would you guys think about a trade board to describe all trades occuring? For example you could list out the trades you are doing as well as what youre getting in return and the date sent out. It would help keep people more accountable
That's not a bad idea.
Quote from: donnie355 on February 25, 2015, 04:18:59 PM
He purchased me my same card and sent it back to me.
And that is why I don't trade. All the cards are available to purchase online, with much less risk on my end. I know when the money is wired, that they will send me the cards, or I can press charges.
That, and that all the cards that I could part with, are unwanted bulk, that I give to new players.
I use a group on Facebook that uses vouches to ensure safety. Basically if your new you have to send your stuff up front until 5-6 people can vouch for you.
I've done some valuable trades on the group now and the system hasn't let me down so far.
I would trade with people on here but most of you seem to be in the States.
I'm sorry to back track here but I have to give props: LinkCelestial, you used an interrobang (‽)!!! Major Kudos!
Quote from: KangaRod on February 26, 2015, 01:25:09 AM
Quote from: Taysby on February 25, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
Please convince me to send lots of cards off to pica trade. I want to use it, but I have s hard time trusting a system like that until it's huge.
I've sent and received hundreds of dollars worth of cards on it, and it's been around for a couple of years now.
It's not going anywhere
Playing devils advocate. You've sent out $500 of cards and received $300. Sounds good to me. Also isn't ther.e a monthly fee?