if I attack with {Alesha, Who Smiles at Death} and target a {Battle Rampart} For example in my graveyard will it actually be a legal attacker?
Quote from: Noblellama on February 22, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
Yep
Defender prevents the creature from being declared as an attacker
But her ability brings the creature back after that step so it's legit.
Think about fun with {Wall of Fire}
Haha awesome thanks
702.3b (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=702.3b): A creature with defender can't attack.
Well, does that mean the creature can't be declared an attacker, or can't ever be attacking? Tough one...
I wonder if this would follow the rule of can't always overrides can, loses overrides gains, and so on. So it may be able to come into the battlefield tapped, but not attacking, because it's defender has an intrinsic rule that says it can't attack period. Just stabbing at answer here, because this is a good loophole type thing you found! I feel a special rule coming on for defender, just for this card!
"Can't attack" simply means you can't declare it as attacking during the "declare attack" action during a turn. If you sneak something onto the field "Tapped and Attacking", it bypasses that, as you've never actually declared as attacking. Using this, you can cheat in something like {Slumbering Dragon} with Kaalia, a {Grozoth} with a Yore-Tiller Nephilim or a {Wall of Blood} with Alesha (which is really sweet if they can't block because you could theoretically just kill them with it)
Relevant ruling from {yore-tiller nephilim}:
Gatherer Card Rulings
2/1/2006: The creature you put onto the battlefield from your graveyard is attacking, even if the attack couldn't legally be declared (for example, if that creature has defender or an effect says that no more than one creature can attack).
Quote from: particle on February 22, 2015, 09:18:40 PM
Relevant ruling from {yore-tiller nephilim}:
Gatherer Card Rulings
2/1/2006: The creature you put onto the battlefield from your graveyard is attacking, even if the attack couldn't legally be declared (for example, if that creature has defender or an effect says that no more than one creature can attack).
Nice find
Thanks for clearing it up more clearly guys!
Quote from: particle on February 22, 2015, 09:18:40 PM
Relevant ruling from {yore-tiller nephilim}:
Gatherer Card Rulings
2/1/2006: The creature you put onto the battlefield from your graveyard is attacking, even if the attack couldn't legally be declared (for example, if that creature has defender or an effect says that no more than one creature can attack).
Nice. I was torn until this find. This rule should be added to Alesha as well.