4 {Island}
4 {Mountain}
4 {Shivan Reef}
3 {Temple of Epiphany}
2 {Halimar Depths}
2 {Ghost Quarter}
1 {Springjack Pasture}
20 lands
2 {Ætherling}
2 {Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs}
1 {Azor's Elocutors}
3 {Guttersnipe}
2 {Young Pyromancer}
10 creatures
3 {Counterflux}
2 {Anger of the Gods}
3 {Delay}
3 {Deprive}
3 {Isochron Scepter}
4 {Condescend}
3 {Dispel}
3 {Spell Pierce}
3 {Vapor Snag}
3 {Flame Slash}
30 other spells
Sideboard
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Just need help with a budget mana base. Also the Pastures are there to supply chump blockers when needed. I run it in all my slow decks. :)
Quote from: Z5 on February 11, 2015, 09:31:33 PM
Just need help with a budget mana base. Also the Pastures are there to supply chump blockers when needed. I run it in all my slow decks. :)
I think I'm done!
{Peer Through Depths} in place of {Taigam's Scheming}
{Spell Pierce}, and {Repeal}are all good options.
Quote from: NovusOrbis on February 11, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
{Peer Through Depths} in place of {Taigam's Scheming}
{Spell Pierce}, and {Repeal}are all good options.
Thanks, just a preferance on TS being that it gets them out of the deck.
{Vivid Creek} In a two colored deck these are technically worse than guildgates, as you only get charge counters worth of the alternate color instead of infinite.
{Vivid Crag} See above.
{Ghost Quarter} Solid pick.
{Halimar Depths} get {Deprive} cause synergies!
{Springjack Pasture} sure, why not? xD
If you're on budget I suggest, {Swiftwater Cliffs} (get those {Deprive}s!) {Temple of Epiphany} ({Deprive}!). The check lands from Innistrad. Of course {Scalding Tarn} and {Steam Vents} if you can get your hands on them.
{Deep-Sea Kraken}: Cast it T3 for the suspend and watch the time tick away...I like it. Don't know if it's good but I like it.
{Frost Titan} I feel like this is too much mana for just not enough for this deck. I'd rather see a {Delver of Secrets} or more of the other stuff you have in here.
{Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs} I think this might work. How has it been? Seems like a bit too much mana.
{Guttersnipe} Fantastic.
{Young Pyromancer} I'd suggest making room for more. Even just cranking out chump blockers is fantastic.
{Temporal Trespass}: Have you actually been able to cast this? I honestly don't think I'd bother. Bit too janky...However if you decide to subtheme delve perhaps.
{Anger of the Gods}: Two seems like an okay number.
{Counterflux}: If you can get your hands on two more you should add them.
{Delay}: I'd much rather see {Deprive} or {Logic Knot}. You've gotta counter spells permanently in this style of deck. However this is nice with {Isochron Scepter}
{Isochron Scepter}: The vast majority of your spells can fit on here. Is three a good number?
{Taigam's Scheming}: I'd say find something better unless you add {Logic Knot} and keep {Temporal Trespass}.
{Mana Leak}: Again I'd rather see {Deprive} or {Logic Knot} as this is only good early game most of the time. Perhaps go a full playset of {Rune Snag} and cut some of the {Delay}s?
{Condescend}: I don't personal like this spell in this style of deck, as it requires you to have more mana then they do and you want to keep a low curve. If it works keep it.
{Dispel}: This is too situational of a counter for me to see it as a 3 of mainboarded... I do like it for the sideboard though.
{Flame Slash}: If you're running this as your only burn I'd suggest switching to {Lightning Bolt} as you can throw it on the {Isochron Scepter} for a win con and board control without timing restrictions.
{Vapor Snag}: Has three been a good number? One of these on a {Isochron Scepter} must be hella evil.
Some sideboard suggestions,
{Annul} budget Boggles and Affinity hate that sticks to {Isochron Scepter}.
{Sewing Salts} vs Tron and Scapeshift.
{Pyroclasm} vs fast aggro decks like Affinity and wide and small decks like tokens. Did I mention it sticks to {Isochron Scepter}?
{Disperse} for a kind of catch all vs all the decks with things you don't have answers to.
{Glaring Spotlight} might also be a thing if you find hexproof to be really annoying.
If you can get your hands on one {Jace, Architect of Thought} has been amazing in my Jeskai build. Also {Fog Bank} and {Guard Gomoza} seem good in this style.
All in all I'd suggest more counters that stop instead of stall and some more burn. I'm going to be trying {Isochron Scepter} in my Jeskai Counterburn. >:)
Thank you so much,
Delver- 5$ common too expensive
Will add deprive
Kazuul Has been amazing, I start running out of counter about then, they wasting removal on Gutter, and YP and then their creatures are nolonger good enough to beat him.
YP- Killed so fast I cant run too many.
Dispell- Almost all removal is instant speed, plus stops burn in its tracks. 'nough said
Delay- actually really good, a tarmogoyf on T5 is not that good against me
Jace- Too hard to get, been thinkin about three mana jace.
Gonna Take out some others.
Vivid lands are good in the beggining when I need double blue, and a little red. Very useful when I cant use fetches and shocks, plus with deprive I can reset counters.
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Vivid lands are good in the beggining when I need double blue, and a little red. Very useful when I cant use fetches and shocks, plus with deprive I can reset counters.
Ironically izzet guild gates would substitute here a bit better and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge counters if you can't bounce the land
Quote from: Prplprince on February 12, 2015, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Vivid lands are good in the beggining when I need double blue, and a little red. Very useful when I cant use fetches and shocks, plus with deprive I can reset counters.
Ironically izzet guild gates would substitute here a bit better and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge counters if you can't bounce the land
But they enter tapped.
What do you think about {keranos God of Stormd}, {Jace Beleran}, and {Jace Memory Adept}
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: Prplprince on February 12, 2015, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Vivid lands are good in the beggining when I need double blue, and a little red. Very useful when I cant use fetches and shocks, plus with deprive I can reset counters.
Ironically izzet guild gates would substitute here a bit better and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge counters if you can't bounce the land
But they enter tapped.
So do the vivid lands.....
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on February 12, 2015, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: Prplprince on February 12, 2015, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Vivid lands are good in the beggining when I need double blue, and a little red. Very useful when I cant use fetches and shocks, plus with deprive I can reset counters.
Ironically izzet guild gates would substitute here a bit better and you wouldn't have to worry about running out of charge counters if you can't bounce the land
But they enter tapped.
So do the vivid lands.....
My life is ruined!
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:44:46 PM
Thank you so much,
Delver- 5$ common too expensive
Will add deprive
Kazuul Has been amazing, I start running out of counter about then, they wasting removal on Gutter, and YP and then their creatures are nolonger good enough to beat him.
YP- Killed so fast I cant run too many.
Dispell- Almost all removal is instant speed, plus stops burn in its tracks. 'nough said
Delay- actually really good, a tarmogoyf on T5 is not that good against me
Jace- Too hard to get, been thinkin about three mana jace.
Gonna Take out some others.
I thought Delver was cheaper than that. My mistake.
Thought I'd be able to sell you on {Deprive}. ;)
Sounds solid to me. Keep on rocking with it then.
Everything they're doing to a {Young Pyromancer} they're not doing to one of your other threats or you. He's also pretty protectable if you drop him turn 4.
I just don't think you're running enough creatures to justify it as a 3 of. But you've obviously been happy with it so keep on keeping on.
I just think that permanently stopping the spell is what you need in this deck. It has been that way for my Jeskai deck.
He was printed in a duel deck, didn't think he was that hard to snag...if you do get your hands on one I highly recommend it. He's like $3.
{Keranos, God of Storms}: is fantastic. I don't think I'd run more than one, however.
{Jace Beleren}: I'm skeptical. With the minimal amounts of card advantage you have you're going to want to -1 him more than +2 him, and you'll never want to ult. I think he's worth trying but I don't expect him to be too amazing. I could be horribly wrong.
{Jace, Memory Adept}: You're only ever realistically going to be +1ing and that's just too much for five mana. I wouldn't recommend him.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 12, 2015, 09:59:30 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 06:44:46 PM
Thank you so much,
Delver- 5$ common too expensive
Will add deprive
Kazuul Has been amazing, I start running out of counter about then, they wasting removal on Gutter, and YP and then their creatures are nolonger good enough to beat him.
YP- Killed so fast I cant run too many.
Dispell- Almost all removal is instant speed, plus stops burn in its tracks. 'nough said
Delay- actually really good, a tarmogoyf on T5 is not that good against me
Jace- Too hard to get, been thinkin about three mana jace.
Gonna Take out some others.
I thought Delver was cheaper than that. My mistake.
Thought I'd be able to sell you on {Deprive}. ;)
Sounds solid to me. Keep on rocking with it then.
Everything they're doing to a {Young Pyromancer} they're not doing to one of your other threats or you. He's also pretty protectable if you drop him turn 4.
I just don't think you're running enough creatures to justify it as a 3 of. But you've obviously been happy with it so keep on keeping on.
I just think that permanently stopping the spell is what you need in this deck. It has been that way for my Jeskai deck.
He was printed in a duel deck, didn't think he was that hard to snag...if you do get your hands on one I highly recommend it. He's like $3.
{Keranos, God of Storms}: is fantastic. I don't think I'd run more than one, however.
{Jace Beleren}: I'm skeptical. With the minimal amounts of card advantage you have you're going to want to -1 him more than +2 him, and you'll never want to ult. I think he's worth trying but I don't expect him to be too amazing. I could be horribly wrong.
{Jace, Memory Adept}: You're only ever realistically going to be +1ing and that's just too much for five mana. I wouldn't recommend him.
Jace would be a possible wincon, will definately add keranos.
What do you think about {Grim Lavamancer}?
Keranos is actuall not that good, or atleast compared to a third Aetherling.
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 11:18:18 PM
What do you think about {Grim Lavamancer}?
Keranos is actuall not that good, or atleast compared to a third Aetherling.
I think {Grim Lavamancer} could work quite well. I wouldn't run it in my build though as my GY goes to fuel {Snapcaster Mage} and {Logic Knot}.
Really? {Keranos, God of Storms} is a {Lightning Bolt} or card draw every turn and a bit easier to protect, while also being one mana cheaper...if {AEtherling} has been working keep rocking with it.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 13, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
Quote from: Z5 on February 12, 2015, 11:18:18 PM
What do you think about {Grim Lavamancer}?
Keranos is actuall not that good, or atleast compared to a third Aetherling.
I think {Grim Lavamancer} could work quite well. I wouldn't run it in my build though as my GY goes to fuel {Snapcaster Mage} and {Logic Knot}.
Really? {Keranos, God of Storms} is a {Lightning Bolt} or card draw every turn and a bit easier to protect, while also being one mana cheaper...if {AEtherling} has been working keep rocking with it.
it has, I'm gonna playtest with Grim.
Let me know how he does.
Remove Kazuul and add in more {Young Pyromancer}. Get rid of Aetherling and Azor's Electutors for {Delver of secrets}
Also remove 1 guttersnipe for another delver and the other two guttersnipe for {Grim Lavamancer}
Flame slash should be {Lightning Bolt}
Condescend should be {Collateral Damage}
Delay to {Remand} or {Forked Bolt}
And then my wallat comits suicide!
We have discussed keeping this budget. Hence no {Delver of Secrets} and some others. We've also discussed why {Remand} is not good in this deck.
Thank you linkc.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 14, 2015, 03:39:56 PM
We have discussed keeping this budget. Hence no {Delver of Secrets} and some others. We've also discussed why {Remand} is not good in this deck.
Delver is cheap though
Delver is a dollar fifty.
I heard he was $5. $1.50 isn't bad at all.
It depends where u get him, my card store doesn't have him ao I have to order online, and I use an expensive seller because I KNOW they're reliable.
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