according to the spoilers a new mechanic will be Dash, defined as this
Dash {cost}. (You may cast this spell for its Dash cost. If you do, it gains haste, and it's returned from the battlefield to it's owners hand at the beginning of the next end step.)
My friend has mused out loud about being able to evade the Command Tax by (re-)casting a creature with Flash through Dash when the creature dies. He says the ability doesn't specify a zone so he wants to pay the alternate casting cost and get his commander on the battlefield without Tax.
the way he asked this focused on evading hitting the Command Zone after death "because of Flash"
I told him this was bogus for a couple of reasons - mostly dying not using the stack.
I'm asking here to explore alternate viewpoints if they exist
Dash works form the command zone. Then it ends up in your hand and you can cast it from there. No? Otherwise if you flicker'd it or {Sundial of the Infinite} you get to keep it, no?
But whether you are casting it for its dash cost or not, the commander tax should still be applied. If it was an ability like {derevi, empyrial tactician}, the tax wouldnt apply, but since its just an alternative cost the tax will still need to be paid.
And the "because of flash" doesnt matter. If i have out {vedalken orrery} that doesnt mean i can cast my commander without paying the tax.
This is all assuming your talking about casting from the command zone. If the commander is in your hand, youll never have to pay commander tax on it.
yea that makes sense, i think.
but it has nothing to do with Flash.
Also according to at least one thread I found, the commander tax is applied to an Alternate Cost as well.
In this case, pay 2 + Dash cost, put in play that turn until end of turn. Then next turn pay regular cost, put it in play as a regular permanent.
this is what a user named Epochalyptik posted to a tapped out forum on an {Animar} thread:
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"Without paying its mana cost" means exactly that. The effect creates an alternative cost of 0. You still need to pay the total casting cost of the spell, though.
TCC = [mana cost OR alternate cost] + [additional and extra costs] - [cost reductions]
The "commander tax" is an extra cost that is factored into the TCC of your commander regardless of whether you're paying its mana cost or an alternate cost.
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ha!
from command zone, yes.
eggsactly
we're thinking among the same lines.
thanks, part
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Quote from: particle on January 03, 2015, 12:18:08 AM
But whether you are casting it for its dash cost or not, the commander tax should still be applied. If it was an ability like {derevi, empyrial tactician}, the tax wouldnt apply, but since its just an alternative cost the tax will still need to be paid.
And the "because of flash" doesnt matter. If i have out {vedalken orrery} that doesnt mean i can cast my commander without paying the tax.
This is all assuming your talking about casting from the command zone. If the commander is in your hand, youll never have to pay commander tax on it.