Situation:
I was playing Duels of the Planeswalkers 2015.
I had {Ajani's Pridemate} on the battlefield. My health was 12. I played {Resolute Archangel} my life went to 20 and {Ajani's Pridemate}'s ability triggered.
My question is should {Ajani's Pridemate}'s ability be triggered by the resolution of {Resolute Archangel}'s triggered ability or is this a glitch?
If it is not a glitch, how would {Resolute Archangel}'s ability interact with {Rain of Gore} or something similar?
I believe this should answer all of your questions. So yes the pridemate triggers from lifegain, as well as {Rain of Gore} losing life
7/18/2014 If your life total is less than your starting life total, you actually gain the appropriate amount of life. Other effects that interact with life gain will interact with Resolute Archangel's ability accordingly.
118.5. (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=118.5.): If an effect sets a player's life total to a specific number, the player gains or loses the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total.
Your starting life total counts as a specific number, so I think this answers the question too.
Thanks but things brings up another question involving {Rain of Gore} and lifelink.
Why is combat damage by a creature with lifelink an exception to {Rain of Gore}?
Quote from: Bilygote on December 19, 2014, 02:21:29 PM
Thanks but things brings up another question involving {Rain of Gore} and lifelink.
Why is combat damage by a creature with lifelink an exception to {Rain of Gore}?
With {rain of Gore} on the field, you would actually lose the amount of life you would have gained. Following your example, you were at 12, so would gain 8 life to end at 20. Now, you lose 8 life, ending on 4.
I will have to look into your second question for a better answer than: because it is in the cards ruling.
EDIT: this is a nice breakdown by strider24seven @ gatherer:
The reason for all the confusion is rule 702.15b. According to this rule, whatever source is responsible for dealing the damage is what causes the life gain, not the lifelink ability itself.
"Combat Damage" is not a spell or ability, and thus is not affected by Rain of Gore. Do note, however, that other abilities capable of inflicting damage, such as Brion Stoutarm's ability or Soul's Fire will cause life gain via Lifelink, and will be affected by Rain of Gore.
702.15b (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=702.15b): Damage dealt by a source with lifelink causes that source's controller, or its owner if it has no controller, to gain that much life (in addition to any other results that damage causes). See rule 119.3.
I understand the answers to my first question, Kaylesh.
I'm just having difficulty comprehending why specifically "combat damage" from a creature with the "lifelink" ability is the 1 and only exception to {Rain of Gore}.
The way that the ruling is worded indicates to me that a "Timmer" with lifelink would still trigger {Rain of Gore}.
I edited my post just before I saw yours. The answer is now in that post. Breakdown: it has to do with the fact that the lifelink ability itself is not the source of the lifegain. I agree that at first glance, the fact that lifelink is an ability would cause Gore to trigger. That's why I had to look up the explanation.
Quote from: Bilygote on December 19, 2014, 02:43:43 PM
I understand the answers to my first question, Kaylesh.
I'm just having difficulty comprehending why specifically "combat damage" from a creature with the "lifelink" ability is the 1 and only exception to {Rain of Gore}.
The way that the ruling is worded indicates to me that a "Timmer" with lifelink would still trigger {Rain of Gore}.
What is a timmer?
To answer your question, if you would lifelink a creature like a Fling-giant and use his ability, the lifegain would be triggered by his ability, thus Gore would trigger. Combat damage specifically is excepted since it is not an ability.
👍 Thanks
I'm showing my age on this one, {Prodigal Sorcerer} has a nick name of "Tim" thus any creature with a similar ability is referred to as a "Timmer"
Quote from: Bilygote on December 19, 2014, 02:58:17 PM
👍 Thanks
I'm showing my age on this one, {Prodigal Sorcerer} has a nick name of "Tim" thus any creature with a similar ability is referred to as a "Timmer"
I didn't know the term. Don't think this has to do with age though. I was around and playing magic when Tim was there. :) (32)
Here
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Prodigal_Sorcerer_(card)