Who were the mose recently banned from the forum? Infeel like makking Piotr a card.
Is gorzo banned forever? If he is I can't belive it, it's so much bs... It's a free country we can have a say. 1st admendement... Freedom of speech
Quote from: Rothsteine on December 15, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
Is gorzo banned forever? If he is I can't belive it, it's so much bs... It's a free country we can have a say. 1st admendement... Freedom of speech
That's only the U.S. Internet has no laws
Quote from: Millionlittlee on December 15, 2014, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: Rothsteine on December 15, 2014, 05:39:55 PM
Is gorzo banned forever? If he is I can't belive it, it's so much bs... It's a free country we can have a say. 1st admendement... Freedom of speech
That's only the U.S. Internet has no laws
No Piotr has no laws
The problem with that, Rothsteine, is that this is the internet. And in this realm of the internet Piotr is "god". I'm Canadian and I don't have the first amendment, yet I'm here.
You can say whatever the hell you want but at the end of the day what Piotr says goes. Do I agree with that? No. Does it matter? No. Why? Because I'm not the one making the rules.
I don't agree with what Piotr is doing and I don't agree with many of the things that he has done. I don't like his attitude and I don't think he has done a good job policing the forums. But am I going to get into some sort of an argument with him about it? No. Why? Because it's not going to change anything and I quite simply don't want to be banned.
All this said surely Gorzo can't be perma-banned. He's one of the most influential people on this thread...I'd be more than sad to see him go.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on December 15, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
The problem with that, Rothsteine, is that this is the internet. And in this realm of the internet Piotr is "god". I'm Canadian and I don't have the first amendment, yet I'm here.
You can say whatever the hell you want but at the end of the day what Piotr says goes. Do I agree with that? No. Does it matter? No. Why? Because I'm not the one making the rules.
I don't agree with what Piotr is doing and I don't agree with many of the things that he has done. I don't like his attitude and I don't think he has done a good job policing the forums. But am I going to get into some sort of an argument with him about it? No. Why? Because it's not going to change anything and I quite simply don't want to be banned.
All this said surely Gorzo can't be perma-banned. He's one of the most influential people on this thread...I'd be more than sad to see him go.
I understand why you are saying but I take a different angle to the problem at hand, also I am pretty sure that gorzo got the perma-ban and taysby the 10 day
Kaworu was banned, too.
piotr just isnt muture enough to have his opinions questioned so he bans users who have different opinions then him therefore gorzo is gone. thats the end of my rant
well glowattack if you get banned you will be missed by all thank you for you contributions
well thats good to hear :)
You guys do realise that this is Piotr's website. You abide by his rules. Don't fight him and he won't fight you. Simple as that
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here. i dont know where he is from but where i live theres this thing called getting over it. if someone doesnt like you ignore them. if someone insults you get over it and be the muture adult. piotr shouldnt be able to ban people for saying something he doesnt agree with. imo the creator of a site should get a group of 6 people (+ himself making total of 7) and then when the creator wants to ban someone everyone in that group should be in agreement and if not everyone agrees the owner should just get over it.
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here. i dont know where he is from but where i live theres this thing called getting over it. if someone doesnt like you ignore them. if someone insults you get over it and be the muture adult. piotr shouldnt be able to ban people for saying something he doesnt agree with. imo the creator of a site should get a group of 6 people (+ himself making total of 7) and then when the creator wants to ban someone everyone in that group should be in agreement and if not everyone agrees the owner should just get over it.
I agree what Piotr's doing is not fair but we have to realize that this is his property, and we are guests free to leave. Now, Piotr has given us this way to connect to each other and talk about a great game, and we in return, abide by his rules while we are here. That is the arrangement, and there's no way we can change it and complaining about it won't help sadly. If it's really that big of an issue, you can make a subreddit or a Facebook group or something.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 15, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here. i dont know where he is from but where i live theres this thing called getting over it. if someone doesnt like you ignore them. if someone insults you get over it and be the muture adult. piotr shouldnt be able to ban people for saying something he doesnt agree with. imo the creator of a site should get a group of 6 people (+ himself making total of 7) and then when the creator wants to ban someone everyone in that group should be in agreement and if not everyone agrees the owner should just get over it.
I agree what Piotr's doing is not fair but we have to realize that this is his property, and we are guests free to leave. Now, Piotr has given us this way to connect to each other and talk about a great game, and we in return, abide by his rules while we are here. That is the arrangement, and there's no way we can change it and complaining about it won't help sadly. If it's really that big of an issue, you can make a subreddit or a Facebook group or something.
I would just like Gorzo to be un perma banned. Give him ten days etc, we can't let him leave.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 15, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 15, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here. i dont know where he is from but where i live theres this thing called getting over it. if someone doesnt like you ignore them. if someone insults you get over it and be the muture adult. piotr shouldnt be able to ban people for saying something he doesnt agree with. imo the creator of a site should get a group of 6 people (+ himself making total of 7) and then when the creator wants to ban someone everyone in that group should be in agreement and if not everyone agrees the owner should just get over it.
I agree what Piotr's doing is not fair but we have to realize that this is his property, and we are guests free to leave. Now, Piotr has given us this way to connect to each other and talk about a great game, and we in return, abide by his rules while we are here. That is the arrangement, and there's no way we can change it and complaining about it won't help sadly. If it's really that big of an issue, you can make a subreddit or a Facebook group or something.
i second this... the comunity will not be the same with out him
I would just like Gorzo to be un perma banned. Give him ten days etc, we can't let him leave.
If Gorzo is banned and gone, where did he go to?
I don't know anything of this drama stuff, but it sucks to lose Gorzo and all other good people.
This whole situation is just like a job. If you yell at your manager or piss him off, you'll get fired. You're not forced to work and, in most cases, can be easily replaced. Same goes here. You joined the app( or forum, I just discovered there is a website) out of your own free will. Our good pollack is providing us with all of this, and we should be respectful of that.
Quote from: NovusOrbis on December 16, 2014, 12:01:52 AM
This whole situation is just like a job. If you yell at your manager or piss him off, you'll get fired. You're not forced to work and, in most cases, can be easily replaced. Same goes here. You joined the app( or forum, I just discovered there is a website) out of your own free will. Our good pollack is providing us with all of this, and we should be respectful of that.
thats all people should really understand. let go of their prides for a bit and go back to having fun
Gorzo was the first mod on this app to welcome me in a friendly manner and treat me with respect and kindness. He has been an incredibly constructive, knowledgable, and helpful resource that this app needs to engage its users. Whether it be with deck construction, card combos or rulings, Gorzo was there. If Gorzo is banned, I will never use this forum again as it has clearly been corrupted. After all the nonsense, trolling, thievery, and immaturity this forum has tolerated from countless other users, and then go and ban Gorzo?!?! Seriously???
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here.
Karma reset for spreading lies.
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on December 16, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Gorzo was the first mod on this app to welcome me in a friendly manner and treat me with respect and kindness. He has been an incredibly constructive, knowledgable, and helpful resource that this app needs to engage its users. Whether it be with deck construction, card combos or rulings, Gorzo was there. If Gorzo is banned, I will never use this forum again as it has clearly been corrupted. After all the nonsense, trolling, thievery, and immaturity this forum has tolerated from countless other users, and then go and ban Gorzo?!?! Seriously???
Yes Gorzo was all you said, I agree. He was also personally obnoxious to me, even when I asked him to stop. And he was banned for that, not for the good things he did. You are free to leave if you disagree, make sure you resign from your Hand powers properly before you do, please.
To clarify further what is wrong with your logic: doing big amount of good does not give you free pass to do tiny amount of evil. It's not in our law :p
Seriously though, where did Gorzo go to from here? I'd like to continue getting his input on Magic related content.
Quote from: KILLERBEE on December 16, 2014, 03:57:14 AM
Seriously though, where did Gorzo go to from here? I'd like to continue getting his input on Magic related content.
He is on facebook...
Guys fighting with Piotr is like punching the ocean. You might feel like something is happening but then you just get pushed over and drown.
Not really banned yet...
Quote from: Piotr on December 16, 2014, 03:28:04 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on December 16, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Gorzo was the first mod on this app to welcome me in a friendly manner and treat me with respect and kindness. He has been an incredibly constructive, knowledgable, and helpful resource that this app needs to engage its users. Whether it be with deck construction, card combos or rulings, Gorzo was there. If Gorzo is banned, I will never use this forum again as it has clearly been corrupted. After all the nonsense, trolling, thievery, and immaturity this forum has tolerated from countless other users, and then go and ban Gorzo?!?! Seriously???
Yes Gorzo was all you said, I agree. He was also personally obnoxious to me, even when I asked him to stop. And he was banned for that, not for the good things he did. You are free to leave if you disagree, make sure you resign from your Hand powers properly before you do, please.
To clarify further what is wrong with your logic: doing big amount of good does not give you free pass to do tiny amount of evil. It's not in our law :p
And how is being obnoxious an evil act. More importantly, where is "thou shalt not be obnoxious" in the iMtG rule book. I must have missed that one.
Consider this my formal resignation of my "hand" powers.
...boring conversation anyways...
LUKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!
Quote from: Piotr on December 16, 2014, 03:24:31 AM
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here.
Karma reset for spreading lies.
thank you for that. its just a number right, thats what you keep saying. so why do you reset it as a punishment?
also piotr can you link the laws thread so i can read them i seem to have forgotten some of them
edit: i found it
Quote from: AdamS on December 16, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Quote from: Piotr on December 16, 2014, 03:24:31 AM
Quote from: AdamS on December 15, 2014, 10:34:42 PM
well i get that but he clearly doesnt have any respect for anyone here.
Karma reset for spreading lies.
thank you for that. its just a number right, thats what you keep saying. so why do you reset it as a punishment?
I never said that karma is just a number, on the contrary I stated multiple times what it means to me. 10 days ban warning for spreading lies.
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on December 16, 2014, 09:34:36 AM
Consider this my formal resignation of my "hand" powers.
Thank you for all your help as the Hand here.
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on December 16, 2014, 09:34:36 AM
...boring conversation anyways...
LUKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!
I appreciate your joke, but please do not shoot first ;)
Quote from: Piotr on November 26, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
Karma is just a number and means nothing.
not a lie heres my proof
^ after stating my proof im done with the argument to avoid being ban i was just stating that in the past as proven by my quoted post you have said it doenst matter if i misinterpreted that i am sorry and i dont plan on posting anything else on this matter
kaalia with haste that is in the help section i will bump it for you
Post a quote to defend your argument
Aaannnnddd it's gone!
Or "your gone", whatever's funnier.
well i wasnt trying to get ban by posting proff im just saying that by my understanding of the post that him saying karma didnt matter was my understanding and that i wasnt trying to lie in the post i was told was a lie. not trying to further my arguement im just trying to say that i wasnt lieing. an analogy that i can think of is
if you tell a colorblind person that the sky is green they will believe that as the truth even though the sky is really blue so is he liein when he tells others that the sky is green? the answer is both yes and no by his understanding the sky is truely green so to others he is lieing because it is blue but to himself he is telling the truth because he believes the sky is green.
Quote from: AdamS on December 16, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
well i wasnt trying to get ban by posting proff im just saying that by my understanding of the post that him saying karma didnt matter was my understanding and that i wasnt trying to lie in the post i was told was a lie. not trying to further my arguement im just trying to say that i wasnt lieing. an analogy that i can think of is
if you tell a colorblind person that the sky is green they will believe that as the truth even though the sky is really blue so is he liein when he tells others that the sky is green? the answer is both yes and no by his understanding the sky is truely green so to others he is lieing because it is blue but to himself he is telling the truth because he believes the sky is green.
Punctuation is a good thing.
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on December 16, 2014, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: AdamS on December 16, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
well i wasnt trying to get ban by posting proff im just saying that by my understanding of the post that him saying karma didnt matter was my understanding and that i wasnt trying to lie in the post i was told was a lie. not trying to further my arguement im just trying to say that i wasnt lieing. an analogy that i can think of is
if you tell a colorblind person that the sky is green they will believe that as the truth even though the sky is really blue so is he liein when he tells others that the sky is green? the answer is both yes and no by his understanding the sky is truely green so to others he is lieing because it is blue but to himself he is telling the truth because he believes the sky is green.
Punctuation is a good thing.
ya i never did like punctuation on ipod im to lazy to hit the button to switch to it
Quote from: AdamS on December 16, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
well i wasnt trying to get ban by posting proff im just saying that by my understanding of the post that him saying karma didnt matter was my understanding and that i wasnt trying to lie in the post i was told was a lie. not trying to further my arguement im just trying to say that i wasnt lieing. an analogy that i can think of is
if you tell a colorblind person that the sky is green they will believe that as the truth even though the sky is really blue so is he liein when he tells others that the sky is green? the answer is both yes and no by his understanding the sky is truely green so to others he is lieing because it is blue but to himself he is telling the truth because he believes the sky is green.
you know that he was just proposing a poll, and listed the options for people to vote, right? the one you quoted was one of the options he made available. he wasnt stating that. Why not just letting it go man.. dont keep adding wood to the fire.. its not helping anyone
Quote from: mickeven on December 16, 2014, 01:05:41 PM
Quote from: AdamS on December 16, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
well i wasnt trying to get ban by posting proff im just saying that by my understanding of the post that him saying karma didnt matter was my understanding and that i wasnt trying to lie in the post i was told was a lie. not trying to further my arguement im just trying to say that i wasnt lieing. an analogy that i can think of is
if you tell a colorblind person that the sky is green they will believe that as the truth even though the sky is really blue so is he liein when he tells others that the sky is green? the answer is both yes and no by his understanding the sky is truely green so to others he is lieing because it is blue but to himself he is telling the truth because he believes the sky is green.
you know that he was just proposing a poll, and listed the options for people to vote, right? the one you quoted was one of the options he made available. he wasnt stating that. Why not just letting it go man.. dont keep adding wood to the fire.. its not helping anyone
no i didnt realize that it was for a poll i thought that was his opinion on karma. so i guess i was wrong and i misunderstood the post :/
piotr i apologize for misunderstanding what you ment in that post i apologize for "lieing" about the thing i misunderstood and it wont happen again
To be honest this is all dumb. It seems like Piotr has a little taste of power and is riding it for what he can get out of it. If everyone started "rebelling" (which you can't really do here, I mean what's the worst you can do? Leave the forum? Huge impact that has) it would further validate his stance of superiority he sees himself having. People "misbehaving" is only an excuse to exercise power, which he enjoys having.
Someone does something I see as acting up? Boom, banned or warning of a ban. See? I am in charge.
Honestly the best solution is to treat him like the distant step-grandfather you see only on holidays. Tell him what he wants to hear to keep him happy. He's not really that big a part of your life anyway and it's too much trouble to start anything.
Anyways, just my two cents.
Or frequent sites that have everything this one does: the mothership forums and mtgsalvation. You never see the communities there having issue or being banned by the admin or mods. They follow logic, not emotion, when someone disagrees with them.
Yeah, but this forum's pretty unique. I mean the app itself isn't anything special by any means. But it's the community that keeps people here. We all know piotr's a little off. But to be honest If I got banned I'd just dummy up a new email address and a new profile. People here are pretty cool and there are good discussions about magic. Plus it's personal on a level you just don't get on the big forums.
I guess, I have multi year friends on those forums. Some of them admins or mods. Just saying if so many people have an issue with Piotr, there are other magic centric forums much larger an more interactive.
Quote from: yugornot on December 17, 2014, 09:10:32 PM
To be honest this is all dumb. It seems like Piotr has a little taste of power and is riding it for what he can get out of it. If everyone started "rebelling" (which you can't really do here, I mean what's the worst you can do? Leave the forum? Huge impact that has) it would further validate his stance of superiority he sees himself having. People "misbehaving" is only an excuse to exercise power, which he enjoys having.
Someone does something I see as acting up? Boom, banned or warning of a ban. See? I am in charge.
Honestly the best solution is to treat him like the distant step-grandfather you see only on holidays. Tell him what he wants to hear to keep him happy. He's not really that big a part of your life anyway and it's too much trouble to start anything.
Anyways, just my two cents.
Lol, distant step grandfather. Also I agree :P