Commander [1]
{Kiku, Night's Flower}
Creatures [39]
{Avatar of Woe}
{Bloodgift Demon}
{Corrosive Mentor}
{Crypt Ghast}
{Dark Impostor}
{Demon of Wailing Agonies}
{Dread}
{Dread Cacodemon}
{Erebos, God of the Dead}
{Fell Shepherd}
{Geth, Lord of the Vault}
{Grave Titan}
{Gray Merchant of Asphodel}
{Hand of the Praetors}
{Hythonia the Cruel}
{Ichor Rats}
{Korlash, Heir to Blackblade}
{Magus of the Coffers}
{Midnight Banshee}
{Necropolis Regent}
{Necroskitter}
{Nighthowler}
{Nightmare}
{Nirkana Revenant}
{Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}
{Pestilence Demon
{Phage the Untouchable}
{Phyrexian Crusader}
{Phyrexian Juggernaut}
{Plague Myr}
{Reaper from the Abyss}
{Reaper of Sheoldred}
{Riever Demon}
{Royal Assassin}
{Rune-Scarred Demon}
{Sheoldred, Whispering One}
{Skirsdag High Priest}
{Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon}
{Soul of Innistrad}
{Visara the Dreadful}
Instants [2]
{Tainted Strike}
{Tendrils of Corruption}
Sorceries [13]
{Black Sun's Zenith}
{Corrupt}
{Damnation}
{Decree of Pain}
{Exsanguinate}
{Life's Finale}
{Mutilate}
{Necromantic Selection}
{Plague Wind}
{Promise of Power}
{Syphon Mind}
{Tempt with Immortality}
{Toxic Deluge}
Artifacts [14]
{Assault Suit}
{Coercive Portal}
{Contagion Clasp}
{Contagion Engine}
{Crawlspace}
{Decimator Web}
{Grafted Exoskeleton}
{Jet Medallion}
{Lashwrithe}
{Nightmare Lash}
{Ring of Xathrid}
{Thornbite Staff}
{Whip of Erebos}
{Whispersilk Cloak}
Enchantments [6]
{Bad Moon}
{Enslave}
{Glistening Oil}
{Necropotence}
{Phyresis}
{Phyrexian Arena}
Planeswalkers [1]
{Liliana of the Dark Realms}
Land [34]
{Arcane Lighthouse}
{Barren Moor}
{Bojuka Bog}
{Cabal Coffers}
{Crypt of Agadeem}
{Dakmor Salvage}
{Ebon Stronghold}
{Everglades}
{Leechridden Swamp}
{Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx}
{Piranha Marsh}
{Polluted Mire}
{Rogue's Passage}
{Swamp} × 18
{Temple of the False God}
{Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth}
{Volrath's Stronghold}
110 Cards
A very rough first draft of my mono black Blight deck. It's already 10 cards over as you can see, and I'm sure there's a lot more to add once suggestions come in. Cuts are gonna be tough on this one, so any comments are appreciated!
New Ob is kinda bad. Please remove
Quote from: Munchlax on December 08, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
New Ob is kinda bad. Please remove
What's so bad about him? A 5/5 flying Demon for 5 mana and 2 life is a fine deal, then he stays as a life tap to keep me alive and a meatshield to absorb a swing after that. I doubt he'll ever survive to drop an emblem, but if he does it's card city!
Quote from: Gorzo on December 09, 2014, 03:28:58 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on December 08, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
New Ob is kinda bad. Please remove
What's so bad about him? A 5/5 flying Demon for 5 mana and 2 life is a fine deal, then he stays as a life tap to keep me alive and a meatshield to absorb a swing after that. I doubt he'll ever survive to drop an emblem, but if he does it's card city!
I'm torn between sides here but I think I fall into the group of people that doesn't like ob that much. In commander, when I'm thinking if a new card for my deck, I ask my self "Does this do one or more if the following":
Help me make a threat (whether it ramps, is part of a combo, draws cards, tutor, whatever)
Answer a threat
Be a threat.
Sure a 5/5 Demon for 5 and 2 life is fine, but it's relatively low impact and isn't gonna do too much in this game. The you have some life gain, which is nice, but you could just play things that give lifelink to your creatures. Then, he dies. If he gets anywhere NEAR that emblem, he's gonna be the table's target.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 09, 2014, 07:44:02 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 09, 2014, 03:28:58 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on December 08, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
New Ob is kinda bad. Please remove
What's so bad about him? A 5/5 flying Demon for 5 mana and 2 life is a fine deal, then he stays as a life tap to keep me alive and a meatshield to absorb a swing after that. I doubt he'll ever survive to drop an emblem, but if he does it's card city!
I'm torn between sides here but I think I fall into the group of people that doesn't like ob that much. In commander, when I'm thinking if a new card for my deck, I ask my self "Does this do one or more if the following":
Help me make a threat (whether it ramps, is part of a combo, draws cards, tutor, whatever)
Answer a threat
Be a threat.
Sure a 5/5 Demon for 5 and 2 life is fine, but it's relatively low impact and isn't gonna do too much in this game. The you have some life gain, which is nice, but you could just play things that give lifelink to your creatures. Then, he dies. If he gets anywhere NEAR that emblem, he's gonna be the table's target.
^This.
I have to agree that I've been un-impressed with him. Whenever anyone would play him, it never impacted the game. I'd rather be running Liliana of the Veil over ob.
{Zun Yu, Wei Advisor} seems decent for your general. {Liliana of the Dark Realms} is also pretty sick, especially if you can get a {Lake of the Dead} out of her.
EDIT: Nvm, Lilly is in there haha
Fair enough, some solid points. I'll cut him. I need at least 10 cuts anyway :P
- {Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath}
Lili of the Veil is a bit out of my budget, as much as I'd love to add her. The only reason I can even afford to have {Damnation} in there is because I traded for a real beat up copy of it for cheap
Anything else jump out as cut material to anyone, or a "must add?"
Black without {Necropotence} is a mistake.
Quote from: griffin131 on December 09, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
Black without {Necropotence} is a mistake.
That is something I want to ask about. The only reason Necropotence is not in there is because the deck lacks life gain (it's pretty much just one card, {Whip of Erebos}). With Infect on the board, I'm likely to be a high priority target as well. As amazing as Necropotence is, do you think this deck can support paying that much life for the cards?
Quote from: Gorzo on December 09, 2014, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on December 09, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
Black without {Necropotence} is a mistake.
That is something I want to ask about. The only reason Necropotence is not in there is because the deck lacks life gain (it's pretty much just one card, {Whip of Erebos}). With Infect on the board, I'm likely to be a high priority target as well. As amazing as Necropotence is, do you think this deck can support paying that much life for the cards?
I run suicide {B}, I think this deck can do it. You would probably want to add {Basilisk Collar} though. Also I just noticed he was absent, you need {Gray Merchant of Asphodel}! He's a beast dude.
Assistance! Things I think you can drop:
•{Liliana's Reaver} (Just seems like a bad {Grave Titan})
•{Xathrid Gorgon} (I had her in my mono-{B} forever because she's Visara's homegirl, but I realized Visara can ride solo)
•{Nightmare Incursion} (Targets only a single player, and isn't really re-useable)
•{Ring of Xathrid} (Just a little too slow when compared to the {Nightmare}ifacts)
•{Trigon of Corruption} (Too expensive for too minimal of an effect. I see the -1/-1 subtheme and the wipe, but still doesn't seem good enough)
Hope that helps!
Helps quite a bit! I agree with you all of those point, with the sole exception of the ring. Giving regeneration to and growing my Infect threats is a perfect fit for the deck, I feel. Can you imagine that ring on {Reaper of Sheoldred} or Skittles? That's some scary stuff.
-{Liliana's Reaver}
+{Grave Titan}
-{Xathrid Gorgon}
-{Nightmare Incursion}
-{Trigon of Corruption}
+{Necropotence}
Edit: another thought - I have 10 board wipes in here. Too many? If I cut a couple, which ones should I cut?
Extinguish all hope jumps out as being not too great.
Just did a double take. NO PHYREXIAN ARENA?!?! That card is AWESOME!
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 09, 2014, 07:35:39 PM
Just did a double take. NO PHYREXIAN ARENA?!?! That card is AWESOME!
I totally forgot about arena. That's just shameful.
-{Extinguish All Hope}
+{Phyrexian Arena}
-{Nevinyrrl's Disk}. Too slow, as much I like the anti-artifact and anti-enchant part
How good is abhorrent overlord in this deck? He seems.. Meh. The harpies are nice to sorta chill and block if you're playing in a voltron heavy meta but otherwise.. Meh.
Also, have you thought about {expedition map}? It grabs coffers nicely in the early game or the late.
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 09, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
Also, have you thought about {expedition map}? It grabs coffers nicely in the early game or the late.
I have, it's just so hard to fit in.
You're right about Overlord. The devotion would be better spent on Gray Merchant, huh?
Quote from: Gorzo on December 10, 2014, 04:28:29 AM
Quote from: Kaalia with haste on December 09, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
Also, have you thought about {expedition map}? It grabs coffers nicely in the early game or the late.
I have, it's just so hard to fit in.
You're right about Overlord. The devotion would be better spent on Gray Merchant, huh?
Definitely. Especially in what I'm assuming is a multiplayer setting.
How about some removal? {Doom Blade} and others? Seems like besides board wipes, the deck is lacking in spot removal.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 10, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
How about some removal? {Doom Blade} and others? Seems like besides board wipes, the deck is lacking in spot removal.
With so many wraths there's not much need for spot removal, especially with that general. In fact, I think she's plenty.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 10, 2014, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 10, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
How about some removal? {Doom Blade} and others? Seems like besides board wipes, the deck is lacking in spot removal.
With so many wraths there's not much need for spot removal, especially with that general. In fact, I think she's plenty.
Yeah, with Kiku at the helm, and Creatures like {Avatar of Woe}, {Dark Impostor}, {Royal Assassin}, and things like all the board wipes, {Thornbite Staff} on one of the many death touches, and {Riever Demon} and {Dread Cacodemon}, I'm not too worried about a lack of killing things :P
-{Abhorrent Overlord}
+{Gray Merchant of Asphodel}
Quote from: Gorzo on December 10, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Yeah, with Kiku at the helm, and Creatures like {Avatar of Woe}, {Dark Impostor}, {Royal Assassin}, and things like all the board wipes, {Thornbite Staff} on one of the many death touches, and {Riever Demon} and {Dread Cacodemon}, I'm not too worried about a lack of killing things :P
-{Abhorrent Overlord}
+{Gray Merchant of Asphodel}
{Thornbite Staff} can give poison counters too can't it? When paired with an infect creature?
Also, not really feeling {Tainted Strike} to be honest. I understand it's a 1-hit KO, but I think either equipment or an enchantment giving infect is just better, which you already have. I know that it can win games out of nowhere and allows for battle tricks, but I'm still not quite on board. Maybe it's my negative disposition towards infect as is haha.
with blacks lack of enchantment removal i think you should leave the disk in the deck
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on December 10, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 10, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Yeah, with Kiku at the helm, and Creatures like {Avatar of Woe}, {Dark Impostor}, {Royal Assassin}, and things like all the board wipes, {Thornbite Staff} on one of the many death touches, and {Riever Demon} and {Dread Cacodemon}, I'm not too worried about a lack of killing things :P
-{Abhorrent Overlord}
+{Gray Merchant of Asphodel}
{Thornbite Staff} can give poison counters too can't it? When paired with an infect creature?
Also, not really feeling {Tainted Strike} to be honest. I understand it's a 1-hit KO, but I think either equipment or an enchantment giving infect is just better, which you already have. I know that it can win games out of nowhere and allows for battle tricks, but I'm still not quite on board. Maybe it's my negative disposition towards infect as is haha.
I have to keep tainted strike. Being able to cast it on other people's creatures during combat for ultimate shenanigans is too good and too funny to pass up.
That reminds me, though, I forgot to add {Phyresis}! Silly me.
+{Phyresis}
Quote from: AdamS on December 10, 2014, 05:33:44 PM
with blacks lack of enchantment removal i think you should leave the disk in the deck
As much as I agree with this, disk is so slow... I feel like it's always going to get naturalized before I can untap it. That being said, I do want to keep the disk... Is there anything you would recommend cutting to make room for it? I need 7 cuts if I add the disk back in.
Hand of the praetors seems pretty bad to me unless there's some kind of super combo I'm not seeing
{Hythonia, The Cruel} doesn't seem that good. If you thought disk was slow, watch out.
Hythonia is a big deathtoucher scary threat person. She's not there as a board wipe, that's just a bonus that might happen :P I like her as a strong defensive card, which I have a feeling I'm going to need (which is why I've chosen to include Crawlspace).
Hand of the Praetor is an Infect Lord. Size being the main downside to infect creatures, anthems like him and Bad Moon are super helpful.
Quote from: Gorzo on December 11, 2014, 05:01:48 AM
Hythonia is a big deathtoucher scary threat person.
+1 just for that
How about {Phyrexian Juggernaut} and {Ob Nixilis, the Fallen}? The Juggernaut is cool, but without trample it's just a fatty with Wither, which {Corrosive Mentor} makes for days. As far as Ob goes, without a bunch of fetches he's just mediocre, he gets big, sure, but without flying I can just see him getting chumped left and right. They seem relatively easy to drop.
Also, what about {Assault Suit}? I know the Haste, but there are far better options. Unless you just feel like giving out your guys. Idk, just not really seeing the pros with this thing.
Ob Nixilis doesn't have flying? Didn't even notice that. I can cut him, then, he's just a vanilla fatty. Good call.
The juggernaut is harder to part with. That 5 Infect pretty much forces a block, making him either an {Abyss}, turns a threat into a weakling (removal), or devastates someone with poison counters. Plus, the plan is to give him the Assault Suit, making it a 7/7 Infect that attacks if able and can't attack me, and I'll just give him to every player every turn.
Well, crap, I just opened the black commander 2014 deck, and I'm going to have add a number of these awesome cards... Making cuts even harder :P list will be updated tonight or tomorrow with additions
Edit 1: Okay, here's the new additions...
+{Reaper from the Abyss}
+{Demon of Wailing Agonies}
+{Magus of the Coffers}
+{Pestilence Demon}
+{Jet Medallion}
+{Necromantic Selection}
-Swamp ×4
-{Squelching Leeches}
+{Arcane Lighthouse}
+{Everglades}
+{Barren Moor}
+{Polluted Mire}
Edit 2: now that karma is working again, +1s to everyone for the awesome suggestions they've given so far! Seriously, you have no idea how helpful it is to me to talk cuts with other EDH junkies, I really love it and appreciate the input and help!
Quote from: Gorzo on December 14, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
Well, crap, I just opened the black commander 2014 deck, and I'm going to have add a number of these awesome cards... Making cuts even harder :P list will be updated tonight or tomorrow with additions
Edit 1: Okay, here's the new additions...
+{Reaper from the Abyss}
+{Demon of Wailing Agonies}
+{Magus of the Coffers}
+{Pestilence Demon}
+{Jet Medallion}
+{Necromantic Selection}
-Swamp ×4
-{Squelching Leeches}
+{Arcane Lighthouse}
+{Everglades}
+{Barren Moor}
+{Polluted Mire}
Edit 2: now that karma is working again, +1s to everyone for the awesome suggestions they've given so far! Seriously, you have no idea how helpful it is to me to talk cuts with other EDH junkies, I really love it and appreciate the input and help!
RIP Gorzo, thou shall be missed.
Quote from: the_intelligentleman on December 15, 2014, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on December 14, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
Well, crap, I just opened the black commander 2014 deck, and I'm going to have add a number of these awesome cards... Making cuts even harder :P list will be updated tonight or tomorrow with additions
Edit 1: Okay, here's the new additions...
+{Reaper from the Abyss}
+{Demon of Wailing Agonies}
+{Magus of the Coffers}
+{Pestilence Demon}
+{Jet Medallion}
+{Necromantic Selection}
-Swamp ×4
-{Squelching Leeches}
+{Arcane Lighthouse}
+{Everglades}
+{Barren Moor}
+{Polluted Mire}
Edit 2: now that karma is working again, +1s to everyone for the awesome suggestions they've given so far! Seriously, you have no idea how helpful it is to me to talk cuts with other EDH junkies, I really love it and appreciate the input and help!
RIP Gorzo, thou shall be missed.
^
Let's keep upping his karma :P