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Title: Rule Changes
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 27, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
Straight from Matt Taback's (rules manager) Tumblr:
"Is there any rule that you wish to change but haven't had the opportunity?

Well there are some changes in the pipeline. Not everything is put into the first available set."

What do you guys think it is? What could they be changing?
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
Bring back mana burn!!!
And combat damage using the stack!
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Millionlittlee on November 27, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
Bring back mana burn!!!
And combat damage using the stack!

Mana burn is ok but damage using the stack doesn't make sense
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: particle on November 27, 2014, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 27, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
Straight from Matt Taback's (rules manager) Tumblr:
"Is there any rule that you wish to change but haven't had the opportunity?

Well there are some changes in the pipeline. Not everything is put into the first available set."

What do you guys think it is? What could they be changing?

i bet its just small things like "base power and toughness",  i doubt anything significant is coming soon.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on November 27, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
Bring back mana burn!!!
And combat damage using the stack!

Mana burn is ok but damage using the stack doesn't make sense
That's the way it used to be...
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: The1337Magician on November 27, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 03:17:29 PM
Quote from: Millionlittlee on November 27, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 27, 2014, 02:43:27 PM
Bring back mana burn!!!
And combat damage using the stack!

Mana burn is ok but damage using the stack doesn't make sense
That's the way it used to be...
But they changed it because it didn't make sense.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Millionlittlee on November 27, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 03:45:26 PM
I bet they're gonna make morph use the stack

I don't think so or else they would have done so when they rerelease morphs
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: DimirOverlord1300 on November 27, 2014, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
"Not everything is done in the first available set" was the direct quote, that means the first available set..being Khans, meaning that they could change the rules in the second one.
I think that probably meant they wouldn't change it as soon as they could , they'd change it as soon as it would be relevant
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 27, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
I love the idea of bringing back damage on the stack. Honestly, it makes more sense than the "everything sort of happens at the same time, except sometimes it doesn't with certain abilities that are worded in certain ways."
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: particle on November 27, 2014, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Yeah good point. Never thought of that. Maybe they're going to make Buried a thing once again

but thats not really changing the rules, just the wording. cards with "buried" still exist, they have just been erratted to "destroyed and cant be regenerated."
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on November 27, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
Rule changes... hmmm. Maybe they're gonna change some rulings with commanders, such as making the command zone a reachable thing. Perhaps it's gonna be a change to combat infinite combos
Your ahead, barely. Stop while you can.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Remillo on November 27, 2014, 07:22:44 PM
A lot of the time, it's just updating old rules, which they don't often do until it becomes relevant.  Take a look at Delve.  It used to be a cost reduction, but now it's a form of mana payment.  'First Set' just means they don't change it in the very next set after they've okayed the change, but when it makes sense.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
Rules update is going to be shortcutting names of Planeswalkers so that "Ugin, the Spirit Dragon" can say "Ugin deals 3 damage to target creature or player"

Or change the penalty for not revealing Morph cards once the match is over. Many many match loses have been handed out for what everyone can basically agree is stupid.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on November 27, 2014, 04:36:06 PM
Rule changes... hmmm. Maybe they're gonna change some rulings with commanders, such as making the command zone a reachable thing. Perhaps it's gonna be a change to combat infinite combos

I can see {AWOL} being black boarder if this happens. What do you do with permanents removed from the Command Zone?

Touching the Command Zone is bad for the game. I do not recommend this course of action
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Ekann1 on November 27, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
Or change the penalty for not revealing Morph cards once the match is over. Many many match loses have been handed out for what everyone can basically agree is stupid.
That's the penalty for not revealing at the end of a game?!?
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
Or change the penalty for not revealing Morph cards once the match is over. Many many match loses have been handed out for what everyone can basically agree is stupid.
That's the penalty for not revealing at the Ed of a game?!?

If you do not reveal morph cards at the end of the game, you get a game loss. No debating it. No asking your opponent what punishment should be. Game loss.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Ekann1 on November 27, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
Oh, you said match loss. Game loss is still overly harsh but I was very surprised at match loss.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 27, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
Oh, you said match loss. Game loss is still overly harsh but I was very surprised at match loss.

Yeah. Wrong terminology. Game loss.
Title: Re: Rule Changes
Post by: Remillo on November 27, 2014, 09:19:07 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 27, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
Rules update is going to be shortcutting names of Planeswalkers so that "Ugin, the Spirit Dragon" can say "Ugin deals 3 damage to target creature or player"

That's not even a Rules problem, that's a templating standard. 

As for the not revealing Morph, remember that also applies whenever it would leave the battlefield, too.  And it's only in place to keep people from cheating and playing, say, an Island, as a 2/2 Facedown.  It's already one of the most broken cards in the game, we don't have to make it crazier.