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Title: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Pi on November 24, 2014, 10:12:06 PM
Overlord Hasbro's greatest motivation is profit. The Zendikar block is still being sold, as people hunt for eldrazi titans and fetchlands.
There is also a chronological "aligning of the stars". Mirrodin was printed in 2003. Ravnica was printed in 2005. Scars of mirrodin in 2010, RTR in 2012. 7 years between reprinting blocks. Zendikar printed in 2009, should have a reprint in 2016.
Also the lore is circling back onto itself. Ugin, the spirit dragon, who sealed away the eldrazi on Zendikar, was found dead on his home plane of Tarkir. {Sorin Markov}, another one of the 3 planeswalkers, to help seal the eldrazi, has come to Tarkir looking for his help. The third planeswalker, {Nahiri, the lithomancer}, finally has a card.
Also, the eldrazi are the last large inter-planar issue, not to be revisited. The Phyrexians had their  New Phyrexia, and Bolas has gotten a lot of hype in the code sets, with a focus in m13. 
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 24, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Very good points. One more: a movie based on the superfriends and their battle against the Eldrazi would be amazing, especially if it were paired with a set in which the story played out. WoTC could add millions of new players if they can pull something like that off.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Dudecore on November 24, 2014, 10:29:34 PM
Khans is the best selling set of all time. If they wanted to just make money then logic would dictate they stay on Tarkir.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Pi on November 24, 2014, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 24, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Very good points. One more: a movie based on the superfriends and their battle against the Eldrazi would be amazing, especially if it were paired with a set in which the story played out. WoTC could add millions of new players if they can pull something like that off.
Vorthos following the lore would be the equivalent of "reading the book" before seeing the movie. I knew all of this useless information would come in handy some day.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 24, 2014, 10:41:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 24, 2014, 10:29:34 PM
Khans is the best selling set of all time. If they wanted to just make money then logic would dictate they stay on Tarkir.
Khans being the best selling set of all time has nothing to do with Tarkir. The last four fall sets have been the best selling sets of all time, it is simply because of the growth of the game. Khans gets an extra boost because of the fetches, but the plane of Tarkir is by no means the most popular plane, and even WotC knows that.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Dudecore on November 24, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Well I mean...we're taking about making money. Khans of Tarkir makes plenty of money...the most ever. We will return to Zendikar because of the open story and it was popular, not because of money.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Pi on November 24, 2014, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 24, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Well I mean...we're taking about making money. Khans of Tarkir makes plenty of money...the most ever. We will return to Zendikar because of the open story and it was popular, not because of money.
I phrased that incorrectly. Zendikar scored well in their market ratings, which is how things get reprinted. The constant expansion of the game, makes the newest set the "best money maker". Evidence from 2010: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/110. I was not able to find an article from wizards, that explained that because Lorwyn/Shadowmoor "scored badly" it would not be reprinted. The actual profit is not what determines reprintability, it is their market testing.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Pi on February 28, 2015, 11:37:58 AM
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/whats-story-magic-origins-2015-02-27
tl;dr: Magic Origins is going to visit the home worlds of the 5 walkers; Nissa, Gideon, Liliana, Chandra, and Jace

Nissa's home plane is Zendikar, therefore the theory is still valid.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Aladormax on February 28, 2015, 12:16:52 PM
Zendikar was confirmed though in that article
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 12:28:19 PM
But after they return to zendikar.... what is the next big threat? O.O  what are we going to live for???? What is the purpose of anything????
Isn't evil garruk still running around?
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Estel2931 on February 28, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 12:28:19 PM
But after they return to zendikar.... what is the next big threat? O.O  what are we going to live for???? What is the purpose of anything????

Phyrexians...always gotta worry about them lol
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: lotrwk on February 28, 2015, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 24, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Well I mean...we're taking about making money. Khans of Tarkir makes plenty of money...the most ever. We will return to Zendikar because of the open story and it was popular, not because of money.
Then why not stay on theros? That was, at one point, the most sold set. Ever. But it's not now. With magics growth, chances are every first set of a new block will be the best seller.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
I put all these peices together a while ago. Back when Khans was just coming out. I do suspect the next arc will be Garruk. I'm just wondering how many people he gets to kill before he gets dealt with.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: DirtyMustachio on February 28, 2015, 02:32:03 PM
Fetches sold khans not the mechanics
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Pi on February 28, 2015, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 02:08:06 PM
I put all these peices together a while ago. Back when Khans was just coming out. I do suspect the next arc will be Garruk. I'm just wondering how many people he gets to kill before he gets dealt with.
And my original post, was when Khans came out. And now return to Zendikar is confirmed, by wizards.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Rass on February 28, 2015, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 04:38:40 PM
When this magic movie comes out... imagine how significantly the player base will increase and how much prices will fluctuate... it's pretty scary to think about

Reprint reprint reprint................that will fix it. Over saturate the market. Kill the secondary market.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on February 28, 2015, 02:32:03 PM
Fetches sold khans not the mechanics

Delve is pretty good and {Monastery Mentor} and others are seeing modern play. {Dig Through Time} and {Treasure Cruise} ate bans. A couple of cards are EDH worthy and idk about you but {Disdainful Stroke} is staying in my counterspell book. 

{Ugin, the Spirit Dragon} is working it's way into Tron and many many EDH decks.

All of this on the backs of fetches. This is a good set. And I think the story is pretty epic even though I hate time travel.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Rass on February 28, 2015, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on February 28, 2015, 02:32:03 PM
Fetches sold khans not the mechanics

Delve is pretty good and {Monastery Mentor} and others are seeing modern play. {Dig Through Time} and {Treasure Cruise} ate bans. A couple of cards are EDH worthy and idk about you but {Disdainful Stroke} is staying in my counterspell book. 

{Ugin, the Spirit Dragon} is working it's way into Tron and many many EDH decks.

All of this on the backs of fetches. This is a good set. And I think the story is pretty epic even though I hate time travel.

Yes some other nice goodies but if you put fetches in BoG or JoN. They would have sold a lot more.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on February 28, 2015, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on February 28, 2015, 02:32:03 PM
Fetches sold khans not the mechanics

Delve is pretty good and {Monastery Mentor} and others are seeing modern play. {Dig Through Time} and {Treasure Cruise} ate bans. A couple of cards are EDH worthy and idk about you but {Disdainful Stroke} is staying in my counterspell book. 

{Ugin, the Spirit Dragon} is working it's way into Tron and many many EDH decks.

All of this on the backs of fetches. This is a good set. And I think the story is pretty epic even though I hate time travel.

Yes some other nice goodies but if you put fetches in BoG or JoN. They would have sold a lot more.

Indeed it would have.
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 07:55:58 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: Rass on February 28, 2015, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 04:38:40 PM
Kill the secondary market.
not just kill the secondary msrket,I'm talking a full slaughter. release Modern Masters 2 and sell that .poo. at Target for like a year. I want to be able to.draft MM2 for 9$ and have the 3 pack promo be tarmogyfs. boom.

Draft MM2... *drools a little*
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Phoenix X30 on February 28, 2015, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 12:28:19 PM
But after they return to zendikar.... what is the next big threat? O.O  what are we going to live for???? What is the purpose of anything????
Isn't evil garruk still running around?

As well as Phyrexians and Slivers
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on February 28, 2015, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 12:28:19 PM
But after they return to zendikar.... what is the next big threat? O.O  what are we going to live for???? What is the purpose of anything????
Isn't evil garruk still running around?

As well as Phyrexians and Slivers
Well sliver's aren't neccisarilly evil
Title: Re: Speculation: Zendikar Confirmed
Post by: LinkCelestrial on February 28, 2015, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on February 28, 2015, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on February 28, 2015, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on February 28, 2015, 12:28:19 PM
But after they return to zendikar.... what is the next big threat? O.O  what are we going to live for???? What is the purpose of anything????
Isn't evil garruk still running around?

As well as Phyrexians and Slivers
Well sliver's aren't neccisarilly evil

It's not like they run around spreading love and hugs. {Constricting Sliver} flavour text for instance. {Venom Sliver} too. They may not be evil but they're nasty pests.