Obama talks at 8 tonight, but here is the plan (tweeted by the White House): http://m.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/immigration-action
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 07:19:46 PM
From what was on the page, i agree with it. Will he extended them programs like unemployment benefits and such?
We will have to wait and see (about 14 minutes), but it's good to see we can agree on something :P
When this was announced in my history class of people with IQ's of like 4 that can't make independent thought everyone but my friends and I shouted "BOO. COMMIE SCUM" or something of the short.
So basically we are using prosecutorial descretion to avoid deporting illegal immigrants that register and pay taxes?
He is signing an executive order (tomorrow in Las Vegas) that will offer temporary residence to immigrants that have been in the country for more than 5 years, have children that are legal residents, register, and pay taxes. Also included in the deal: they are going to double the amount of border security. His tagline was, "deport felons, not families."
As for the Constitutionality, he is simply going to use prosecutorial discretion to not deport illegal immigrants, he is well within bounds. It's the same as how he isn't arresting potsmokers in Colorado, he has more important things to worry about. Congress has the ability to pass a more comprehensive bill on their own terms, and one such bill did pass through the Senate a year and a half ago, but the House is refusing to even bring it to a vote.
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
However temporary non-deportion seems ok. How long is temporary?
Temporary=until the next president (hopefully) says gtfo.
Quote from: Wingnut on November 20, 2014, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
However temporary non-deportion seems ok. How long is temporary?
Temporary=until the next president (hopefully) says gtfo.
He didn't really specify but I think it's indefinite.
@Wingnut, yeah it would be horrible if the millions of undocumented workers in American contributed by paying taxes. /sarcasm Deporting millions of Americans is completely unreasonable and would horribly destabilize our economy.
How hard is it to get a citizenship? I figure if you are in the country for more than five years you should apply to get one. If they aren't to avoid paying taxes, then I don't think they should get benefits. I'm not an expert on the subject, though, would anyone explain it?
Quote from: NovusOrbis on November 20, 2014, 10:02:25 PM
How hard is it to get a citizenship? I figure if you are in the country for more than five years you should apply to get one. If they aren't to avoid paying taxes, then I don't think they should get benefits. I'm not an expert on the subject, though, would anyone explain it?
The system is broken all-around, and a lot of this is on a case-by-case basis, different laws in different states, whether people decide to do their due diligence, people wanting to be dicks, etc. The problem is: the president can't make the kind of changes we would need to fix all of this, only Congress can.
To become a legal citizen of the USA from another country takes a lot of money if you have no family here and years of paperwork.
That's good to know. I do agree that changes are desperate, but I don't know if now is the right time to focus on reform. There are plenty of other bureaucratic nightmares that need are more or less in dire need of attention.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 20, 2014, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on November 20, 2014, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 20, 2014, 08:58:48 PM
However temporary non-deportion seems ok. How long is temporary?
Temporary=until the next president (hopefully) says gtfo.
He didn't really specify but I think it's indefinite.
@Wingnut, yeah it would be horrible if the millions of undocumented workers in American contributed by paying taxes. /sarcasm Deporting millions of Americans is completely unreasonable and would horribly destabilize our economy.
Nope, it would actually be amazing if they did, and I'm sure that's EXACTLY what is going to happen /sarcasm.
Let me digress, I have NOTHING against someone from another country coming here legally to get a job, make a living, pay taxes, contribute and become a member of society. I have an issue with people coming here illegally (possibly getting a job and contributing, but just as possibly getting food stamps and living off other hard working people) and the "president" saying it is "in humane" to send people back to where they belong because they decided to break our laws and basically tell hard working citizens to go screw because it's "rough where I'm from". People want to come to America, than do it correctly, otherwise, gtfo. Can you and I ignore laws as we choose and government just simply make new laws to make it so that there are no repercussions? No, end of story, no. If we are going to allow people to break laws and we accommodate them, than why have the God damn laws in the first place? Oh, crap, I forgot that that's the end goal. Never mind.
Once again as someone who is very experienced with family/friends trying to move here legally. It's very hard and a long, expensive process, and once you even get to the US, you have to do nothing until they approve you to work.
Living in California, I've been aware of immigration issues since I was young, the 90s had plenty of issues for immigration with the Mexico border. Yet growing up here, you come to realize immigrants are everywhere, many people are illegal, but they are also harvesting all of our produce. They work their asses off in jobs that most caucasian folks wouldn't do, on top of that for even less. They live in full fear of authority and having to go back to a slum they risked their life to escape for better opportunity. (Rant begin)Then to be moved away from their kids who aren't little shits unlike the kids who all get 3DSXLs and every game when it's released.(end rant)
This is a pretty practical way of taking care of immigration with who is here already. They are willing to pay taxes which is what we need. I feel our economy has slumped due to millions of undocumented workers who send money out of the country, this is how we can start getting it back.
You just can't boot everyone out who is trying to do right and had to risk everything just for a chance to be in a country where you can actually make a future for yourself and your kids.
I imagine after they are able to become citizens that they will be eligible for all government programs available for US citizens.
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 21, 2014, 04:53:26 PM
I imagine after they are able to become citizens that they will be eligible for all government programs available for US citizens.
Yes, but we arent offering citizenship right now, only "temporary residence."
Pretty sure most of them want to work and pay taxes and not go back to poverty stricken homelandz