How do you all feel about planeswalkers as commanders? Does it seem wrong/cheap? What are your thoughts on allowing all PW as generals?
I'm not sure how I feel about it. They are harder to remove, but can't be enchanted with hexproof or shroud, (I think), so maybe that evens it out? Harder to tuck them for sure.
I like PWs as generals as long as they're 4+ CMC bc a Turb 2 Domri or Ashiok is just stupid IMO but I like it and it's not as broken as you'd think bc you can't do broken combos with them (well not as easily anyways)
Like it's better than having {Mikaeus the Unhallowed} as your general and then top decking {Triskillion}
Since it is a planes walked then you can attack them also. I think that levels the field a little.
The ones made for commander seemed balanced, any ordinary pw could get out of hand fast
Planeswalkers aren't super strong in EDH, I don't envision it being much of a problem. If you look at what they cost when they hit the battlefield:
Lithomancer: 5 mama put a 1/1 and equip it. I probably wouldn't pay 5 mana for that. OR 5 mana put an equipment onto the battlefield from hand or graveyard. Still not imagining thats worth 5 mana.
Teferi: 6 mana {Preordain} OR {Peregrine Drake}? I don't know.
Ob Nixilis: 5 mana deal 3 damage and gain 3 life? Nope. Put a 5/5 demon? Maybe thats worth 5 mana? Not really.
Daretti seems good.
Freyalise is 5 mana {Llanowar Elves} or {Naturalize}
Planeswalkers this expensive make it REALLY hard to survive a full table rotation until it's your turn again, then you've got to pay Commander tax - the effects only get worse. It kind of makes sense
I dunno, {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} t3 vs a {Mayael the Anima} deck might be lol city for the ashiok commander
Or {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} as commander.
Counter counter counter bounce
Exile library
If {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} drew 7 cards, it would be that broken. You draw 2 and then have to wait for 3 other players to do anything before you can use him again.
{Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver} is {Nephalia Drownyard} 1 opponent and ultimate is {Identity Crisis}. Not seeing the brokenness.
Planeswalkers in general are worse then Modal spells. The fantasy exists in using them over and over, which is what they do in all other eternal formats. Commander is a little more drawn out. Ultimates rarely happen, most of the time you get to watch someone pay 4 for {Brainstorm} and maybe {Fog} a tiny bit of damage?
Yeah, permanents. So it's like a blue {Seedborn Muse}. Color me unimpressed. I just don't see the action.
All I know is that there are going to be 5 more planes walkers to get for my collection...
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Also Elliott the two most played tuck spells are {Chaos Warp} and {Oblation}, so they're not that much harder to tuck
Hey, don't knock it until you've played with them. They've made them powerful, but not busted, and they're probably balanced fine for multiplayer. I'm looking forward to what new stuff it'll bring tot the table.
Daretti seems pretty sweet, Loot or {Goblin Welder}, ulty seems really far off though.
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
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Trust me, I have a Edric deck in our playgroup, tis' very good.
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
Kaalia can be degenerate, it depends. And yes I have played against the Edric player the intelligentlemen is talking about. Screw {Triumph of the Hordes}.
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 30, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
Kaalia can be degenerate, it depends. And yes I have played against the Edric player the intelligentlemen is talking about. Screw {Triumph of the Hordes}.
Haha I played a much more degenerate Edric and skipped {Triumph of the Hordes}. Play lots of little dudes, take lots of turns, use lots of recursion, ping to death with little dudes. Stupid good and cheap, too :P
I like the idea of planeswalkers as commanders. They may be a bigger threat, but they're easier to answer. You can't just attack {Iona, Shield of Emeria} like you can a PW. A Planeswalker is always a huge target. I think these guys are no different. None of them seem broken. Nahiri is good, but not broken. I'd love to be able to use any PW as a commander. {Tamiyo, the Moon Sage} mono {U} control 😍
Time to buy all dem foil kill PW spells ;)
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 30, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on October 29, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
I don't like them... Wizards keeps making commander products that print some fun stuff but also screw up a lot... Looking at you kaalia/derevi/oloro/Edric.
Not sure I can agree with the comment that Kaalia's broken. Derevi definitely is. Oloro's just stupid. Not sure about Edric though.
Kaalia can be degenerate, it depends.
I have people try and take me out first just cause I play Kaalia. Then they discover that my bond with Kaalia isn't a competitive one, and they relax. Very rarely will my Kaalia deck be ridiculously fast-paced and aggressive.