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The Gathering Forum-Rakdos 60 cards, 15 sideboard 4 {Temple of Malice} 5 {Mountain} 1 {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} 7 {Swamp} 4 {Bloodfell Caves} 4 {Bloodstained Mire} 25 lands 3 {Ashcloud Phoenix} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 2 {Underworld Cerberus} 4 {Prophetic Flamespeaker} 1 {Necropolis Fiend} 11 creatures 1 {Silence the Believers} 4 {Lightning Strike} 2 {Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker} 2 {Magma Jet} 4 {Stoke the Flames} 3 {Bile Blight} 2 {Murderous Cut} 3 {Hero's Downfall} 3 {Thoughtseize} 24 other spells Sideboard 2 {Magma Spray} 2 {Drown in Sorrow} 2 {Anger of the Gods} 2 {Extinguish All Hope} 2 {Read the Bones} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 4 {Goblin Rabblemaster} 15 sideboard cards Notes: Something I've been working on. How bout the team's opinion?

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 28, 2014, 11:22:39 PM

The Gathering Forum-Rakdos 60 cards, 15 sideboard 4 {Temple of Malice} 5 {Mountain} 1 {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} 7 {Swamp} 4 {Bloodfell Caves} 4 {Bloodstained Mire} 25 lands 3 {Ashcloud Phoenix} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 2 {Underworld Cerberus} 4 {Prophetic Flamespeaker} 1 {Necropolis Fiend} 11 creatures 1 {Silence the Believers} 4 {Lightning Strike} 2 {Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker} 2 {Magma Jet} 4 {Stoke the Flames} 3 {Bile Blight} 1 {Murderous Cut} 4 {Hero's Downfall} 3 {Thoughtseize} 24 other spells Sideboard 3 {Magma Spray} 2 {Drown in Sorrow} 1 {Liliana Vess} 2 {Anger of the Gods} 2 {Extinguish All Hope} 1 {Arc Lightning} 2 {Read the Bones} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 1 {Bile Blight} 15 sideboard cards Notes: Something I've been working on. How bout the team's opinion?

Looks good! I would personally go to 2 Mogis. Take out a prophetic? Also, I would switch either a jet or a downfall for one more cut, as your graveyard will be huge.

Speaking of graveyards: 1-2 {Empty the Pits} dominates late game. One main and one board is where I'd be. Boom.

I agree on cut. -1 Downfall, +1 Cut.
However i think flamespeaker is mighty underrated and the 1-1 split main vs side mogis is good. As for empty the pits, I've tested quite a bit with the card in various shells and it has always underperformed for me. The 1 necropolis fiend has been great so far, serving the same purpose of being a great late game threat in grindy games. However, more testing is definitely needed. Empty the pits could have a home in the side as a possible tutor package with liliana.

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 28, 2014, 11:50:13 PM

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 28, 2014, 11:40:02 PM

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 28, 2014, 11:22:39 PM

The Gathering Forum-Rakdos 60 cards, 15 sideboard 4 {Temple of Malice} 5 {Mountain} 1 {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth} 7 {Swamp} 4 {Bloodfell Caves} 4 {Bloodstained Mire} 25 lands 3 {Ashcloud Phoenix} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 2 {Underworld Cerberus} 4 {Prophetic Flamespeaker} 1 {Necropolis Fiend} 11 creatures 1 {Silence the Believers} 4 {Lightning Strike} 2 {Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker} 2 {Magma Jet} 4 {Stoke the Flames} 3 {Bile Blight} 1 {Murderous Cut} 4 {Hero's Downfall} 3 {Thoughtseize} 24 other spells Sideboard 3 {Magma Spray} 2 {Drown in Sorrow} 1 {Liliana Vess} 2 {Anger of the Gods} 2 {Extinguish All Hope} 1 {Arc Lightning} 2 {Read the Bones} 1 {Mogis, God of Slaughter} 1 {Bile Blight} 15 sideboard cards Notes: Something I've been working on. How bout the team's opinion?

Looks good! I would personally go to 2 Mogis. Take out a prophetic? Also, I would switch either a jet or a downfall for one more cut, as your graveyard will be huge.

Speaking of graveyards: 1-2 {Empty the Pits} dominates late game. One main and one board is where I'd be. Boom.

I agree on cut. -1 Downfall, +1 Cut.
However i think flamespeaker is mighty underrated and the 1-1 split main vs side mogis is good. As for empty the pits, I've tested quite a bit with the card in various shells and it has always underperformed for me. The 1 necropolis fiend has been great so far, serving the same purpose of being a great late game threat in grindy games. However, more testing is definitely needed. Empty the pits could have a home in the side as a possible tutor package with liliana.

I didn't even see mogis in the board :P

I might still be living in magical christmas land with Pits-Blowouts on the brain.

In hindsight, that could have used better phrasing.

Idk if {Goblin Rabblemaster} should be in here.

Yes, 4x. So good

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 29, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
Idk if {Goblin Rabblemaster} should be in here.

You're not an aggro deck. Id stick to blowing up opponents rabblemasters, and landing your regent and stuff later.

Rabble is not only an Aggro all star, but a control all star as well. Stick a rabble then proceed to kill all the blockers away and win in 4 turns? Yes please

I think the flamespeaker is the better 3 drop in this shell

I'm thinking possibly 4x Rabble sideboard

I just think rabble is SO good. It's kinda dumb strong. Just my humble opinion though :)

No {storm breath dragon}? Gets around {wingmate roc} and can also help push extra damage with monstrous. I understand that Sarkhan is a dragon in sense but I've never been to big of a fan of him.

I'm not really liking stoke in here. Idk to me 4 mana for 4 damage isn't the best bc looking at your creature base you'll rarely Convoke. And at 4 mana I feel like I'd rather have a 4th downfall or silence the believers

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 29, 2014, 08:24:35 AM
I'm not really liking stoke in here. Idk to me 4 mana for 4 damage isn't the best bc looking at your creature base you'll rarely Convoke. And at 4 mana I feel like I'd rather have a 4th downfall or silence the believers

I will be testing both with and without stoke. I currently like it because even as a 4 mana spell it allows me to play my early game controlling and still have access to an explosive endgame later.

Ok so stoke has been fantastic

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 29, 2014, 03:32:16 PM
Ok so stoke has been fantastic

Ok just a thought bc it's not as abusable as it is with say Rabbles but good that it's working I just felt that for 4 mana a hard kill all spell is better

Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Agreed on this

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Play the deck and then tell me if flamespeaker is bad lol

I feel like Cerebus is bad personally

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 30, 2014, 02:46:06 AM
I feel like Cerebus is bad personally

I agree with this. If your playing an agro low cost creature deck he can backfire on you. Especially since you are low creature deck.

Quote from: Rass on October 30, 2014, 10:52:07 AM

Quote from: Mattao19 on October 30, 2014, 02:46:06 AM
I feel like Cerebus is bad personally

I agree with this. If your playing an agro low cost creature deck he can backfire on you. Especially since you are low creature deck.

Lol stormbreath pobably is better

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 02:04:33 AM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Play the deck and then tell me if flamespeaker is bad lol

Flamespeaker is bad

Quote from: lotrwk on October 30, 2014, 02:39:48 PM

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 02:04:33 AM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Play the deck and then tell me if flamespeaker is bad lol

Flamespeaker is bad

False

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 03:02:28 PM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 30, 2014, 02:39:48 PM

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 02:04:33 AM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Play the deck and then tell me if flamespeaker is bad lol

Flamespeaker is bad

False

True... He almost never gets through, and when he does, hits hits the spells to get rid of their non-existent blockers with your mass of removal.

Quote from: lotrwk on October 30, 2014, 06:59:21 PM

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 03:02:28 PM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 30, 2014, 02:39:48 PM

Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 30, 2014, 02:04:33 AM

Quote from: lotrwk on October 29, 2014, 11:28:32 PM
Flamespeaker and Cerberus seem very bad. Stormbreath and rabble seem to be much better suited at those mana costs.

Play the deck and then tell me if flamespeaker is bad lol

Flamespeaker is bad

False

True... He almost never gets through, and when he does, hits hits the spells to get rid of their non-existent blockers with your mass of removal.

Think outside the box. It functions similar to a red courser.

In what way? It doesn't have as big of a butt, it's ability is only good when attacking, he doesn't gain you life, doesn't filter through your deck, and wastes cards if you don't have the mana to pay for them. In no way is it as good as a rabble would be. Rabble creates pressure, makes stoke easier, pushes damage through, doesn't have to be attacking to be fine, and two rabbles are much better than two flamespeakers.

Quote from: lotrwk on October 30, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
In what way? It doesn't have as big of a butt, it's ability is only good when attacking, he doesn't gain you life, doesn't filter through your deck, and wastes cards if you don't have the mana to pay for them. In no way is it as good as a rabble would be. Rabble creates pressure, makes stoke easier, pushes damage through, doesn't have to be attacking to be fine, and two rabbles are much better than two flamespeakers.

I completely agree