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Title: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: ibtrickey on October 27, 2014, 01:30:41 PM
Say I play
{Glimpse the Unthinkable}
And one of the cards is
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
Then I play {Bitter Ordeal}
What exactly would happen?
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: rarehuntertay on October 27, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: ibtrickey on October 27, 2014, 01:30:41 PM
Say I play
{Glimpse the Unthinkable}
And one of the cards is
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
Then I play {Bitter Ordeal}
What exactly would happen?
You would search your opponent's library for a card and exile it. Gravestorm does not apply unless a permanent was sent from field to grave.
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: Kaylesh on October 27, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 27, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: ibtrickey on October 27, 2014, 01:30:41 PM
Say I play
{Glimpse the Unthinkable}
And one of the cards is
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
Then I play {Bitter Ordeal}
What exactly would happen?
You would search your opponent's library for a card and exile it. Gravestorm does not apply unless a permanent was sent from field to grave.
Spot on. 702.68a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=702.68a): Gravestorm is a triggered ability that functions on the stack. "Gravestorm" means "When you cast this spell, put a copy of it onto the stack for each permanent that was put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn. If the spell has any targets, you may choose new targets for any of the copies."
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: ibtrickey on October 27, 2014, 02:38:22 PM
If the ten cards were permanents what would happen then? And one was Emmy.

Since 10 permanents were put there during the turn I would get 10 triggers correct?
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: Remillo on October 27, 2014, 02:43:25 PM
Permanents only exist on the battlefield.  Anywhere else, they're just cards.  Gravestorm cares about Permanents, not cards.
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: rarehuntertay on October 27, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
A permanent is only a permanent only while on the field. If sent from the deck to the graveyard, they are only cards, not permanents.
In your example, Emmy gets sent to grave and his ability triggers. Since  {Bitter Ordeal} is a sorcery, you cannot use it in response to Emmy's trigger. Emmy's ability will resolve and shuffle everything back into owners library.
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: Kaylesh on October 27, 2014, 02:44:33 PM
Ruling states "from the battlefield". The cards never were on the field.
EDIT: seconds too late :p
Title: Re: Gravestorm interaction
Post by: ibtrickey on October 27, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
Thank you