1 {Experiment Kraj}
1 {Vivid Grove}
10 {Forest}
1 {Alchemist's Refuge}
10 {Island}
1 {Opal Palace}
1 {Rogue's Passage}
1 {Turntimber Grove}
1 {Simic Growth Chamber}
1 {Mosswort Bridge}
1 {Novijen, Heart of Progress}
1 {Reliquary Tower}
1 {Khalni Garden}
1 {Meteor Crater}
1 {Command Tower}
1 {Thornwood Falls}
1 {Llanowar Reborn}
34 lands
1 {Mossbridge Troll}
1 {Mycoloth}
1 {Vigean Hydropon}
1 {Lorescale Coatl}
1 {Acidic Slime}
1 {Plaxcaster Frogling}
1 {Champion of Lambholt}
1 {Zameck Guildmage}
1 {Gilder Bairn}
1 {Silklash Spider}
1 {Wild Beastmaster}
1 {Arcanis the Omnipotent}
1 {Prophet of Kruphix}
1 {Sphinx of Magosi}
1 {Kruphix, God of Horizons}
1 {Trygon Predator}
1 {Knacksaw Clique}
1 {Ætherling}
1 {Kiora's Follower}
1 {Leech Bonder}
1 {Bane of Progress}
1 {Realm Seekers}
1 {Cytoplast Manipulator}
1 {Master Biomancer}
1 {Tuskguard Captain}
1 {Kalonian Hydra}
1 {Omnibian}
1 {Murkfiend Liege}
1 {Novijen Sages}
1 {Hunted Troll}
1 {Drumhunter}
1 {Helium Squirter}
1 {Heroes' Bane}
1 {Longshot Squad}
1 {Phantom Nantuko}
1 {Gyre Sage}
1 {Mystic Snake}
1 {Scute Mob}
1 {Prime Speaker Zegana}
1 {Thassa, God of the Sea}
1 {Vorel of the Hull Clade}
1 {Fathom Mage}
1 {Naya Soulbeast}
1 {Arbor Colossus}
44 creatures
1 {Asceticism}
1 {Give // Take}
1 {Death's Presence}
1 {Primal Vigor}
1 {Voidslime}
1 {Curse of the Swine}
1 {Bred for the Hunt}
1 {Hardened Scales}
1 {Cultivate}
1 {Green Sun's Zenith}
1 {Nissa's Expedition}
1 {Doubling Season}
1 {Sol Ring}
1 {Rite of Replication}
1 {Incremental Growth}
1 {Peregrination}
1 {Loxodon Warhammer}
1 {Plasm Capture}
1 {Bow of Nylea}
1 {Creeping Renaissance}
1 {Blue Sun's Zenith}
21 other spells
Sideboard
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HALP!!! Need so many cuts! :P There are too many good cards!
Man, you've chosen all the right cards but literally ALL the right cards! Haha! I'd probably be strict on myself by starting to cull the creatures who don't have Activated Abilities.
I'm not sure you'd get the benefit of Monstrosity for Mr Kraj (other than the extra counters). The result of montrosity names the original card ... I'm gonna say, as a trigger also ...?
Quote from: Spikepit on October 22, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
I'd probably be strict on myself by starting to cull the creatures who don't have Activated Abilities.
Oh dear, except Mystic Snake and Prophet of Kruphix and Kruphix himself and ... oh dear.
Quote from: Spikepit on October 22, 2014, 09:09:55 AM
Quote from: Spikepit on October 22, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
I'd probably be strict on myself by starting to cull the creatures who don't have Activated Abilities.
Oh dear, except Mystic Snake and Prophet of Kruphix and Kruphix himself and ... oh dear.
Right? :P that's the problem I'm having. Every creature here either
• benefits from Kraj's activated ability clause ({Heroes' Bane})
• gain extra benefits from having counters ({Longshot Squad}, {Mycoloth})
• enters with / uses counters itself ({Bane of Progress}, {Fathom Mage})
• is just plain really solid as a card, and becomes even better with the prospect of counters. ({Prophet of Kruphix}, {Sphinx of Uthuun})
Edit: and yes, you are correct about monstrous. But {Arbor Colossus} and {Shipbreaker Kraken} are amazing EDH cards on their own, the chance to monstrous Kraj for an extra 3 or 4 counters at instant speed is just gravy, even if he doesn't get triggered abilities that come with them.
Made a few more cuts. And added {Grand Arcitect}. I figure Pila Pala is in the deck anyway to give Kraj an untap ability, I might as well add a chance for the infinite mana combo. Half the deck is blue, so even without Pila Pala, architect is still boosting half of my creatures, making him useful on his own.
The deck can do some funny things with infinite mana, too. {Biomass Mutation}, or kill a player with {Blue Sun's Zenith}, or my personal favorite, exile/cast everyone's entire deck with {Experiment Kraj} + {Knacksaw Clique}
You can probably remove Scute mob because of its lack of abilities Kraj can copy
{hunted troll} maybe? most kill spells i see in edh prevent regen anyway, and an 8/4 is not that amazing by itself in edh.
Hmm... I don't think I can cut either of those.
{Scute Mob} doesn't have any activated abilities, that much is true, but it works so well with the deck as a whole. Anything that causes double or additional counters makes it get out of hand soooo fast, {Zameck Guildmage} can yank a ton of counters from it for cards, and it's actually just a solid threat on its own. I like that it only costs 1 mana, too. I don't want the deck to be too slow.
{Hunted Troll} is more a personal favorite card. I haven't had much issue with anti-regen removal (just the occasional {Unmake} mostly), so I'm not worried about it. Plus, with a counter on it, it gives Kraj super cheap regen, too. And a cheap-regen 9/5 or 10/6 gets pretty troublesome quickly. Even the "downside," the 4 fairies it gives to an opponent, are usually a political benefit.
I'm hoping to stay pretty creature heavy. It just feels like a creature themed deck, you know? Any non-creatures look like they don't belong to anyone?
I'll admit part of me is trying to force the crazy card advantage from {Sages of the Anima} :P I've been trying to get this card in a deck for so long, and this is the deck to do it in lol
{Spirit of new Phyrexia} could replace {sagu Mauler}
Let's see:
I agree with you that {Sages of the Anima} might not be the best. It's alright, but if you want mana or a spell, your denied half your deck the rest of the game.
I don't know if {Pili-Pala} and {Grand Architect} deserve a spot just for the combo or the untapping of Kraj. You have plenty of other untappers as well.
{Lorescale Coatl} is good, but when your cutting cards, big creatures with no activated abilities might have to go.
{Silklash Spider} is ok. You already have a few other flyer hate cards, so this is meh.
{Hua Tuo, Honored Physician} could be cut.
{Sagu Mauler} is really good, but has no abilities.
{Naya Soulbeast} too.
So that's a few cuts maybe. Hope this deck turns out well.
Some solid points. I don't want to, but I think I have to cut Sagu mauler. Honored physician is a much easier cut. I'm still not sure about cutting lore scale or soul beast (same reasons I want to keep Scute mob, basically). I also want to keep the Pila-Pala architect combo in for now, since they both serve a purpose in the deck other than the combo... But with 13 cuts still to go, I see your point and we'll see what happens :P and if I cut them, I can probably cut {Biomasd Mutation}...
Do you really think I can cut Silklash spider? I'm always hesitant to take out anti-flying. I feel like flying is what always gets me.
Quote from: Gorzo on October 24, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Some solid points. I don't want to, but I think I have to cut Sagu mauler. Honored physician is a much easier cut. I'm still not sure about cutting lore scale or soul beast (same reasons I want to keep Scute mob, basically). I also want to keep the Pila-Pala architect combo in for now, since they both serve a purpose in the deck other than the combo... But with 13 cuts still to go, I see your point and we'll see what happens :P and if I cut them, I can probably cut {Biomasd Mutation}...
Do you really think I can cut Silklash spider? I'm always hesitant to take out anti-flying. I feel like flying is what always gets me.
Keep {Silklash Spider}. It's a fantastic card and even if there's no flying five mana for a 2/7 isn't bad.
{Decree of Savagery} deserves a home
Quote from: Munchlax on October 24, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
{Decree of Savagery} deserves a home
Yeah, yeah it probably does. So does {Incremental Growth}, now that I think about it.
{Acidic Slime}
{Aeon Chronicler}
{Hydra Omnivore}
{Hornet Nest}
{Sagu Mauler}
{Pelakka Wurm}
All creatures I'd cut they don't really fit the theme.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 24, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
{Acidic Slime}
{Aeon Chronicler}
{Hydra Omnivore}
{Hornet Nest}
{Sagu Mauler}
{Pelakka Wurm}
All creatures I'd cut they don't really fit the theme.
Sagu mauler is cut. Hornet nest I think I have to cut as well, yeah. As hilarious as a huge hornet nest with +1 counters on it is, You're right.
The others are tougher. Aeon chronicler is card draw. Hydra omnivore and pelakka Wurm are both just simply amazing EDH creatures.
Acidic slime I won't cut. I don't care that it doesn't fit a theme. It fits any deck with green in it, because it's insanely useful :P
Quote from: Gorzo on October 25, 2014, 03:46:13 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 24, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
{Acidic Slime}
{Aeon Chronicler}
{Hydra Omnivore}
{Hornet Nest}
{Sagu Mauler}
{Pelakka Wurm}
All creatures I'd cut they don't really fit the theme.
Sagu mauler is cut. Hornet nest I think I have to cut as well, yeah. As hilarious as a huge hornet nest with +1 counters on it is, You're right.
The others are tougher. Aeon chronicler is card draw. Hydra omnivore and pelakka Wurm are both just simply amazing EDH creatures.
Acidic slime I won't cut. I don't care that it doesn't fit a theme. It fits any deck with green in it, because it's insanely useful :P
As great as it is it's not the "theme" of the deck. Same goes for omnivore and Pelakka. When I'm down to this in the cuts it's the good but out of theme cards that go bye bye. I like to think it my decks are better for it.
Then why no {Bramblecrush}? (Totally underrated removal spell). {Acidic Slime} is good, yes, but you're not blinking it or tutoring it. Just sayin.
I get what you're saying, but bramblecrush is a 1-for-1, whereas acidic slime is almost always a 2-for-1 by being a deathtoucher, even if it's just by forcing out removal. Plus I can get it back when I name creature with {Creeping Renaissance}, and can toss counters on him to up his threat level. Worst case scenario, he chump blocks, which is still more than I get from bramblecrush. Granted, acidic slime can't destroy walkers, but still.
The theme is great and all, but I still need "good stuff" as a sub theme, and slime definitely fits that one, you know? :P
As for omnivore and chronicler... Chronicler is easy enough to find out. I need to look deeper into my ability to draw in the deck. If it can keep a hand filled, he can be cut, if it struggles with cards, I can't afford to lose a good draw spell. Makes sense, right? Omnivore is just omnivore. A hilarity-value card, and gets even more funny as I put counters on it. And have you ever seen Hydra Omnivore or Pelakka Wurm get hit by {Rite of Replication} w/ kicker? It's... It's a wonderful sight to behold. :D
Maybe {Loxodon Warhammer}, {Bow of Nylea} and {Awakening Zone}. They're all good cards but don't fit the theme too well.
The hammer is good b/c of lifelink but I feel like you could do without it.
The bow is basically {1}{G} Put a +1/+1 counter on a creature. You can do better.
Awakening Zone is good with token doublets, but I think you have plenty of ramp.
Whittling it down hurts, bro.
Quote from: The1337Magician on October 25, 2014, 10:58:22 AM
Whittling it down hurts, bro.
Ain't it the truth.
I guess I can cut awakening zone (with a heavy heart) since it is probably the least reliable ramp I have in here. I feel like I'm going to need both the lifelink and the trample from the hammer, though.
I'll put the bow in the maybe pile for now. You're right that it's not the strongest effect, but in this deck adding that one counter can be very useful. Giving attacking creatures Deathtouch is a bonus I'm happy to have, too.
Quote from: Gorzo on October 25, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: The1337Magician on October 25, 2014, 10:58:22 AM
Whittling it down hurts, bro.
Ain't it the truth.
I guess I can cut awakening zone (with a heavy heart) since it is probably the least reliable ramp I have in here. I feel like I'm going to need both the lifelink and the trample from the hammer, though.
I'll put the bow in the maybe pile for now. You're right that it's not the strongest effect, but in this deck adding that one counter can be very useful. Giving attacking creatures Deathtouch is a bonus I'm happy to have, too.
I personally think {Bow of Nylea} is an auto keep. Death touch is great, and the +1/+1 counters fit theme.
Yeah. Sorry. I always forget about that clause of deathtouch.
Lol... I just had a nice chat with a friend of mine. He's always been obsessed with the original ravnica block, so I asked him for some card advice regarding old simic, since I'm not very familiar with it.
He gave me some real gold, and it sent me deeper into the +1/+1 counter theme. So I made some cuts that I didn't want to make that didn't fit the theme now that I'm deeper into it... And I still have more cuts now than I needed before! Arrrgh!
One stupid cut. I'm stuck at one stupid cut, and sample drawing isn't helping - every card is performing great!
A friend suggests cutting {Give // Take} or {Knacksaw Clique}, but I really don't want to cut either of those... Knacksaw is a flyer that gives Kraj a really fun untap ability, and give/take is a flexible power boost or card draw...
What do you guys think? This deck looks really fun, I need to finish this decklist so I can start looking for cards I need :P
Oh dear. I know we've had this discussion before, Gorzo, but I'm gonna go ahead and say {Island} any way.
But seriously, {Vigean Hydropon} is the only one that is vibing a cut to me here.
Sigh, I hate that last cut. It feels like only being able to take one friend with you on school vacation and having to tell the others, 'sorry you're still my friends too but I had to choose!'
I personally dont believe {incremental growth} makes the cut, you have enough +1/+1 counters already
Quote from: Spikepit on November 04, 2014, 05:38:17 AM
Oh dear. I know we've had this discussion before, Gorzo, but I'm gonna go ahead and say {Island} any way.
But seriously, {Vigean Hydropon} is the only one that is vibing a cut to me here.
Sigh, I hate that last cut. It feels like only being able to take one friend with you on school vacation and having to tell the others, 'sorry you're still my friends too but I had to choose!'
Haha I know, the last cut is such a heartbreaker.
I do agree that the hydropon looks iffy, but my friend who lives and breathes old ravnica block swears to me it's 30 times better than it looks and will be a political lockdown with Kraj since I can graft onto other people's creatures if they dare cast one with an activated ability. So... I'm going to trust his superior experience with old simic to my own and give it a try. I can swap it out for {decree of savagery} if I end up not liking it, because cutting decree made me really sad.
I think I might actually try cutting that island. Actually I'll cut ancient ziggurat instead, since I can't use it for mana on activated abilities.
If it weren't the Vegan Hydrophone, I'd probs try my luck at a land too. Have at it.
Quote from: Spikepit on November 04, 2014, 06:04:43 PM
If it weren't the Vegan Hydrophone, I'd probs try my luck at a land too. Have at it.
Lol Vegan Hyrdophone xD
Quote from: E.kann1 on November 04, 2014, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on November 04, 2014, 06:04:43 PM
If it weren't the Vegan Hydrophone, I'd probs try my luck at a land too. Have at it.
Lol Vegan Hyrdophone xD
I do like word play! 😁
I really think you shouldn't cut a land. 34 is a dangerous territory. I know every deck runs differently, but I highly recommend cutting a non-land card.
Quote from: The1337Magician on November 05, 2014, 08:20:37 AM
I really think you shouldn't cut a land. 34 is a dangerous territory. I know every deck runs differently, but I highly recommend cutting a non-land card.
Yeah, I know it is iffy in a deck that's more than one color. Not sure what else to do though, sample drawing is showing me that I have no dead draws, and it is occasionally flooding...
Maybe for the land, gyre sage? Especially with all the counters that your throwing around. I'm actually pretty interested in this deck, do you mind if I built it?
{crowned ceratok}
Quote from: Mattacheu on November 08, 2014, 04:49:46 PM
Maybe for the land, gyre sage? Especially with all the counters that your throwing around. I'm actually pretty interested in this deck, do you mind if I built it?
I totally forgot about {Gyre Sage}! That really should go in there, I'll have to find a slot for her.
Of course, build away! I hope you have fun with it! I'm looking forward to finding the last few cards I need to finish it, myself.
I had {Crowned Ceratok} in there originally, but I cut it for {Tuskguard Captain}. Less mana, same effect! And Tuskguard's slightly smaller body is easily made up for by having a super cheap outlast option to boost himself, while Ceratok can never get a counter on itself without help.
Quote from: Gorzo on November 09, 2014, 05:58:24 AM
Quote from: Mattacheu on November 08, 2014, 04:49:46 PM
Maybe for the land, gyre sage? Especially with all the counters that your throwing around. I'm actually pretty interested in this deck, do you mind if I built it?
I totally forgot about {Gyre Sage}! That really should go in there, I'll have to find a slot for her.
Of course, build away! I hope you have fun with it! I'm looking forward to finding the last few cards I need to finish it, myself.
I had {Crowned Ceratok} in there originally, but I cut it for {Tuskguard Captain}. Less mana, same effect! And Tuskguard's slightly smaller body is easily made up for by having a super cheap outlast option to boost himself, while Ceratok can never get a counter on itself without help.
I absolutely love simic, so this immediately caught my eye. Another card, {soliditary of heros}. With enough mana, can hit all of your creatures.
Bumping for reference
Quote from: Munchlax on May 23, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Bumping for reference
Thank you so much for bumping this.
Ever since some time after Gorzo left, I couldn't see his posts. I thought they were gone, deleted or something. Turns out I accidentally banned him in my account. Only found out because you bumped this, and I couldn't think of a reason why you would bump something without deck list. TX for restoring my iMTG.
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 24, 2015, 07:14:01 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on May 23, 2015, 10:16:30 PM
Bumping for reference
Thank you so much for bumping this.
Ever since some time after Gorzo left, I couldn't see his posts. I thought they were gone, deleted or something. Turns out I accidentally banned him in my account. Only found out because you bumped this, and I couldn't think of a reason why you would bump something without deck list. TX for restoring my iMTG.
You're welcome