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Title: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: mickeven on October 10, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
With  {Penance} I understand that I can put as many cards from my hand on top of my library whenever I want, and with  {Hidden Retreat} I can only put a card on top of my library if a Sorcery or Instant that would deal damage is on the stack. Am I correct on both instances?
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: particle on October 10, 2014, 02:33:09 PM
yup {hidden retreat} has a target that must be declared upon activating the ability whereas {pennance} just cares if you can pay the cost (having a card in hand to put on top of library).
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: Kaylesh on October 10, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
True. Rules wise the difference is that {hidden retreat} is a targeted ability, while {penance} creates a delayed trigger.
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: mickeven on October 10, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
cool. thank you homies!
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: DrainCleaner on October 11, 2014, 12:35:46 AM
Just to clarify, {Hidden Retreat} doesn't care if the instant or sorcery would actually deal damage to something. It can target any instant or sorcery. The ability would simply have no effect if that spell would not deal any damage
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: mickeven on October 11, 2014, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on October 11, 2014, 12:35:46 AM
Just to clarify, {Hidden Retreat} doesn't care if the instant or sorcery would actually deal damage to something. It can target any instant or sorcery. The ability would simply have no effect if that spell would not deal any damage

that is really great to know. thanks man!!!
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: Anoobass on October 11, 2014, 12:55:27 AM
Could I put 7 cards on top of my library for the same 1 spell though?
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: DrainCleaner on October 11, 2014, 01:02:28 AM
Quote from: Anoobass on October 11, 2014, 12:55:27 AM
Could I put 7 cards on top of my library for the same 1 spell though?

Yup!
Title: Re: Penance and Hidden Retreat
Post by: Kaylesh on October 11, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
You can even respond to a mill if you wanna get cards from your hand in your graveyard for dredging right?