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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Destore117 on September 23, 2014, 03:23:15 PM

Title: EDH question
Post by: Destore117 on September 23, 2014, 03:23:15 PM
In EDH if a commander deals 20 or more damage you win correct?
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Destore117 on September 23, 2014, 03:36:03 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
21 or more to a single player from a single commander means they lose

Yes
Does this include non combat damage?
Curious for {Ruric Thar the Unbowed} cuz he seems like a pretty great commander.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Destore117 on September 23, 2014, 03:40:13 PM
I'm gonna buy a giant eagle bag. Write nope in black marker and give you that. You can keep it. Big bag of nope.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 03:45:14 PM
All you need to do is wait for them to gain life and bam! Instant win

Lol damn you :P

Also worth noting you can die from your own commander lol {Karona the False God} can kill you lol happened to me more than I care to admit lol
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
Yep, it's why people hate on {Heartless Hidetsugu}...

commander damage is only combat damage. many commanders would be totally broken if not like {kaervek the merciless}. let me grab a ruling.

from commander.net :

If a player has been dealt 21 points of combat damage by a particular Commander during the game, that player loses a game.


so {heartless hidetsugo} will not do commander damage if he activates his ability. when you draw cards with {nekusar, the mindrazer} on the field, you will not take commander damage, only normal damage.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
Yep, it's why people hate on {Heartless Hidetsugu}...


commander damage is only combat damage. many commanders would be totally broken if not like {kaervek the merciless}. let me grab a ruling.

Really???
Do you have a rule posting for that???

yea edited with ruling.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Gorzo on September 23, 2014, 04:45:06 PM
It is for sure combat damage only. People hate on Heartless Hidetsugu, but it has nothing to do with commander damage, it's just because he's a jerk ;)
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Well that changes things

yea generally the only way to kill someone with commander damage is voltroning up.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Gorzo on September 23, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Well that changes things

yea generally the only way to kill someone with commander damage is voltroning up.

21 adds up pretty quick. {Kresh the Bloodbraided} and {Grimgrin, Corpse-Born} both tend to get there in one swing, and there are lots of biggun's who get there in 3 hits like  {Maelstrom Wanderer} and {Zurgo Helmsmasher}
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on September 23, 2014, 05:11:38 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on September 23, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Quote from: particle on September 23, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 23, 2014, 04:34:29 PM
Well that changes things

yea generally the only way to kill someone with commander damage is voltroning up.

21 adds up pretty quick. {Kresh the Bloodbraided} and {Grimgrin, Corpse-Born} both tend to get there in one swing, and there are lots of biggun's who get there in 3 hits like  {Maelstrom Wanderer} and {Zurgo Helmsmasher}

{raafiq of the many} also normally gets there in three turns if he attacks the same person.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 23, 2014, 06:01:34 PM
And  {Vorosh, the Hunter}
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: griffin131 on September 23, 2014, 08:42:27 PM
{Jenara, Asura of War} can get there really quickly as well.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xStrayKnightx on September 24, 2014, 07:00:14 AM
With all the boosting cards in my {Kaalia of the Vast} deck, I can push her from a 2/2 to a...

Something big. Hang on...
{Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite} = 4/4...
{Sword of Kaldra} = 9/9...
{Godsend} = 12/12...
{Ogre Battledriver} = 14/12...

Yeah, that's pretty good. XD
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Deathstorm on September 24, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
I like ruhan and the godhead auras
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Spikepit on September 24, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
My Norin Commander can ... do nothing but give me the giggles. 😁
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on September 24, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 24, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
My Norin Commander can ... do nothing but give me the giggles. 😁

just pray your opponent exiles {polymorphist's jest} on {elite arcanist} so you can one day get there with commander beats with norin.

edit: wait i guess hed get exiled by jest nvm.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Ekann1 on September 24, 2014, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on September 24, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
My Norin Commander can ... do nothing but give me the giggles. 😁
Is this list posted somewhere?
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xDeGroatx on October 02, 2014, 10:36:47 AM
Im suprised no one said  {Hamletback Goliath} hes a monster
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: griffin131 on October 02, 2014, 11:56:02 AM
Quote from: xDeGroatx on October 02, 2014, 10:36:47 AM
Im suprised no one said  {Hamletback Goliath} hes a monster
Because the conversation was about Commander damage and Hamletback can't be a commander...
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xDeGroatx on October 02, 2014, 01:24:26 PM
Why not? And im lost.. Nvm i just obviously dnt know how to play lol
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: particle on October 02, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
Quote from: xDeGroatx on October 02, 2014, 01:24:26 PM
Why not? And im lost.. Nvm i just obviously dnt know how to play lol

its because commanders can only be legendary creatures. if you want to learn about commander you should check out the intro to commander in the commander section.
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on October 02, 2014, 06:02:18 PM
Let's not forget the original 3 shot killers for which the format is named...

{nicol bolas}
{vaevictis asmadi}
{palladia-mors}
{chromium}
{arcades Sabboth}
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Destore117 on October 02, 2014, 10:06:41 PM
EVERYONE IT IS TIME TO STOP BUMPING A RESOLVED RULES THREAD! WE GET IT, EDH IS AMAZING AND WE HATE ON THOSE COMMANDERS THAT POKE YOU TIL YOUR DEAD! MOVING ON NOW? MAYBE IF I USE ALL CAPS I WON'T SEEM ANGRY?
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xDeGroatx on October 02, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
Can you use  {Avacyn, Angel of Hope}?
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xStrayKnightx on October 02, 2014, 11:33:06 PM
What, as a Commander? Yeah, of course!
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: xDeGroatx on October 03, 2014, 06:21:39 AM
But wouldnt everything be indestructable?
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Deathstorm on October 03, 2014, 07:40:14 AM
Yeah but you have to get her on the field first
Title: Re: EDH question
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on October 03, 2014, 06:27:31 PM
Rule 104.3j

In a Commander game, a player that's been dealt 21 or more combat damage by the same commander over the course of the game loses the game. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704. Also see rule 903.14.)