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Title: Changing land type
Post by: Oldschoolmtgnoob on September 22, 2014, 11:59:22 PM
When something says all lands are islands in addition to their other types; ei {stormtide leviathan}, does that change the way lands produce mana as well?

There are plenty of other cards like this, so I've always wondered....
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 12:30:57 AM
If a land is an Island it can always produce {U} (unless say a {Blood Moon} and the land was a {Breeding Pool}

But giving a land a basic land type allows that land to tap for that type. {Prismatic Omen} allows your lands (even {Mutavault}) to tap for ANY color :P
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Oldschoolmtgnoob on September 23, 2014, 02:08:08 AM
Holy crap...well that's kind of a game changer...thanks!
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 02:27:42 AM
Also note that:

{Blood Moon} makes it so your {Breeding Pool} ONLY taps for {R}

And

{Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth} make your {Breeding Pool} tap for {U} {G} OR {B}

But both trigger X-Walk BM turns Mountain Walk and Urborg turns on Swampwalk
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 23, 2014, 02:32:27 AM
Unless they are out at the same time, then blood moon wins.
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 02:39:24 AM
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 23, 2014, 02:32:27 AM
Unless they are out at the same time, then blood moon wins.

Yep exactly :P
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: cltrn81 on September 25, 2014, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 02:27:42 AM
Also note that:

{Blood Moon} makes it so your {Breeding Pool} ONLY taps for {R}

And

{Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth} make your {Breeding Pool} tap for {U} {G} OR {B}

But both trigger X-Walk BM turns Mountain Walk and Urborg turns on Swampwalk
Lets just finish this by saying even if all of these lands and enchantments are out.  {storm tide leviathan} would still allow all lands to tap for {U}
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: particle on September 25, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 25, 2014, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 23, 2014, 02:27:42 AM
Also note that:

{Blood Moon} makes it so your {Breeding Pool} ONLY taps for {R}

And

{Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth} make your {Breeding Pool} tap for {U} {G} OR {B}

But both trigger X-Walk BM turns Mountain Walk and Urborg turns on Swampwalk
Lets just finish this by saying even if all of these lands and enchantments are out.  {storm tide leviathan} would still allow all lands to tap for {U}

so heres a magic judges blog discussing lots of interactions with {blood moon}.

http://blogs.magicjudges.org/articles/2013/06/18/blood-moon-in-a-modern-environment/

the wording is basically exactly the same as {urborg, tomb of yawgmoth} so the same interaction should apply. {blood moon} should win against {stormtide leviathan} and {urborg, tomb of yawgmoth} in the exact same fashion. nonbasic lands should only have tap add {R} to your mana pool.
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mattao19 on September 25, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
Isn't it what came down first? Like say I have 3 no basics and a forest and then my opp play {Blood Moon} next turn I play {Prismatic Omen} and I'm good to go?

But reverse the scenario and I'm fucked
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Chargingswadger on September 25, 2014, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on September 25, 2014, 04:41:15 PM
Isn't it what came down first? Like say I have 3 no basics and a forest and then my opp play {Blood Moon} next turn I play {Prismatic Omen} and I'm good to go?

But reverse the scenario and I'm fucked

Yes but with urborg, blood moon changes it, while prismatic omen doesn't get changed.
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: xDeGroatx on September 29, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
Blood moon only changes non basic so storm tide changes basic to also islands so how would that work?
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: particle on September 29, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: xDeGroatx on September 29, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
Blood moon only changes non basic so storm tide changes basic to also islands so how would that work?

nonbasics would be mountains and basics would be islands in addition to their types.
Title: Re: Changing land type
Post by: Mr_Fahrenheit on September 29, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
It's all about layers, and specifically for blood moon's case, it's about dependencies.