I know morph doesn't use the stack, but does it count as activating an ability so players recieve priority again? Example:
It is my turn. My opponent has a face down creature and 5 mana open. As the active player, I attack with a 2/2 and pass priority. Opponent goes to blocks, and blocks my 2/2 with the face down creature. Then as active player I get priority. Then I pass it back, with a {hero's downfall} in hand and mana to cast it. My opponent has priority now during the declare blockers step. If they turn their morph creature face up, into say a 5/5, do I get priority back to kill it before damage is dealt?
I know morph may not be responded to. What I'm asking, (and think I got an answer to :P ) is whether someone can un-morph something and pass priority to go to damage, without giving me a chance to do things once I know what the morph is.
I know. So I pass priority, they unmorph then pass, do I get priority back or do we go to damage?
Right. I was wondering if morph counted towards the both players passing in sequence or not since it doesn't use the stack.
noble sorry this ruling is not correct i had this issue come up at prerelease. so in the declare blockers step, the defending player (nonactive player) starts with priority. that player chooses to make any or no blocks, and then they still have priority. if they pass priority to the active player, and the active player passes priority, both players will have passed priority without anything on the stack and the game will move to the next step which is damage.
so in the example above, if the defending player wants to unmorph, they should do it before passing priority after blocks, because if the attacking player passes priority after blocks are delcared they wont have a chance to unmorph before damage.
now obviously if you pass priority after blocking and they attempt to {murderous cut} your {sagu mauler} you can certainly respond by unmorphing.
just be prepared that if you have effects that you definitely want to play you should probably play them before you pass priority as the defending player just in case your opponent doesnt have any effects so you dont go straight to damage.
{{remillo}}, can you back this up?
Quote from: particle on September 21, 2014, 02:32:12 AM
noble sorry this ruling is not correct i had this issue come up at prerelease. so in the declare blockers step, the defending player (nonactive player) starts with priority. that player chooses to make any or no blocks, and then they still have priority. if they pass priority to the active player, and the active player passes priority, both players will have passed priority without anything on the stack and the game will move to the next step which is damage.
so in the example above, if the defending player wants to unmorph, they should do it before passing priority after blocks, because if the attacking player passes priority after blocks are delcared they wont have a chance to unmorph before damage.
now obviously if you pass priority after blocking and they attempt to {murderous cut} your {sagu mauler} you can certainly respond by unmorphing.
just be prepared that if you have effects that you definitely want to play you should probably play them before you pass priority as the defending player just in case your opponent doesnt have any effects so you dont go straight to damage.
Doesn't active player always get priority first? I still don't think my question was answered :P
I'll try rephrasing it again: does an unmorph "trigger" another round of priority passing before the game goes to the next step?
Quote from: E.kann1 on September 21, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Quote from: particle on September 21, 2014, 02:32:12 AM
noble sorry this ruling is not correct i had this issue come up at prerelease. so in the declare blockers step, the defending player (nonactive player) starts with priority. that player chooses to make any or no blocks, and then they still have priority. if they pass priority to the active player, and the active player passes priority, both players will have passed priority without anything on the stack and the game will move to the next step which is damage.
so in the example above, if the defending player wants to unmorph, they should do it before passing priority after blocks, because if the attacking player passes priority after blocks are delcared they wont have a chance to unmorph before damage.
now obviously if you pass priority after blocking and they attempt to {murderous cut} your {sagu mauler} you can certainly respond by unmorphing.
just be prepared that if you have effects that you definitely want to play you should probably play them before you pass priority as the defending player just in case your opponent doesnt have any effects so you dont go straight to damage.
Doesn't active player always get priority first? I still don't think my question was answered :P
I'll try rephrasing it again: does an unmorph "trigger" another round of priority passing before the game goes to the next step?
Are you asking whether or not morph is treated like an activated ability (uses the stack) or a mana ability (doesn't use the stack)?
For the purposes of passing priority, that is. I know it doesn't actually use the stack.
Quote from: E.kann1 on September 21, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
For the purposes of passing priority, that is. I know it doesn't actually use the stack.
Then correct me if I'm wrong, but if an object doesn't use the stack, then it cannot be responded to??? Right ?
Omg guys he's asking if he recieves priority AFTER the creature has been morphed and AFTER he knows its a 5/5. Or since morph doesn't use the stack, since he had passed priority first as the active player, can the opponent just morph and pass straight to damage? I'm not actually sure of the answer.
Sorry I'm a few days late on this one -
Because a player that had priority took an action, that player receives priority afterwards. Because a game action was taken, priority has to be passed around again. Just because an action doesn't use the stack doesn't mean it bypasses the normal passing of priority.
115.3. If a player takes a special action, that player receives priority afterward
116.4. If all players pass in succession (that is, if all players pass without taking any actions in between passing), the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves or, if the stack is empty, the phase or step ends.
hmm this link definitely seems to go against my level 1's ruling:
http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3554246
this states that in all steps and phases, (except untap and cleanup) but including declare blocks, AP will always get priority before NAP. that seems really weird though. so i declare blocks and instantly you get priority? if thats the case my judge definitely ruled improperly. case was exactly the same, my opponent attacks, i block with my unmorped 4/4 lifelinker, and i allowed my opponent to pass priority. according to the judge, i had also passed priority and thus both players have passed priority and we had to go to damage. i didnt get a chance to unmorph my guy. will have to follow up with him and wizards.
Quote from: particle on September 22, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
hmm this link definitely seems to go against my level 1's ruling:
http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3554246
this states that in all steps and phases, (except untap and cleanup) but including declare blocks, AP will always get priority before NAP. that seems really weird though. so i declare blocks and instantly you get priority? if thats the case my judge definitely ruled improperly. case was exactly the same, my opponent attacks, i block with my unmorped 4/4 lifelinker, and i allowed my opponent to pass priority. according to the judge, i had also passed priority and thus both players have passed priority and we had to go to damage. i didnt get a chance to unmorph my guy. will have to follow up with him and wizards.
509 (Declare Blockers step)
509.5. Fifth, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities
Turn-Based actions, like declaring attackers and blockers, are not controlled by any player. The Active player will always get priority after these (and the resulting other actions and triggers) are done.
Quote from: DrainCleaner on September 22, 2014, 12:43:10 AM
Omg guys he's asking if he recieves priority AFTER the creature has been morphed and AFTER he knows its a 5/5. Or since morph doesn't use the stack, since he had passed priority first as the active player, can the opponent just morph and pass straight to damage? I'm not actually sure of the answer.
Thank you :P
Quote from: Remillo on September 22, 2014, 01:43:58 AM
Sorry I'm a few days late on this one -
Because a player that had priority took an action, that player receives priority afterwards. Because a game action was taken, priority has to be passed around again. Just because an action doesn't use the stack doesn't mean it bypasses the normal passing of priority.
115.3. If a player takes a special action, that player receives priority afterward
116.4. If all players pass in succession (that is, if all players pass without taking any actions in between passing), the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves or, if the stack is empty, the phase or step ends.
Perfect, thank you.