So I got into an argument and I need a ruling to show my friend
Situation was
I had 3 {Guttersnipe} and a {Goblin Electromancer} on the field.
I played a {Hidden strings} on electromancer. (dealing six damage to each opponent.) he resonds to hidden strings with {Pay no heed} saying {Guttersnipe}.
His side= saying {Guttersnipe} as the source of damage would prevent all damage all 3 {Guttersnipe} would deal. Saying they all count as the same source.
My side= each Guttersnipe counts as it's own source of damage. So he'd effectively be canceling out only the 1 guttersnipe's damage. Not all 3.
First off, who's correct? Secondly, need that ruling.
I would say you're correct. Each guttersnipe is an individual source. But I think he could have chose red, and done away with any confusion. Can you choose a color with that card? I don't see why not. That's my 1 peso anyways...
Quote from: Taysby on September 14, 2014, 10:16:27 PM
I don't have a specific ruling, but each guttersnipe is a different source.
Also, you can't name red with pay no heed. Red isn't a source. That's like saying blue is driving me somewhere. (It's not my car is. My car is the actual thing doing the driving)
Taysby. Your analogies are as accurate as they are entertaining.
If that is 'something good' I kinda wanna see what you would call a bad one....
Quote from: Oldschoolmtgnoob on September 14, 2014, 10:12:50 PM
I would say you're correct. Each guttersnipe is an individual source. But I think he could have chose red, and done away with any confusion. Can you choose a color with that card? I don't see why not. That's my 1 peso anyways...
you can use {circle of protection: red}
to protect from red spells, but the color red is not causing any damage, its just a characteristic of the damage.
609.7a (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=609.7a): If an effect requires a player to choose a source of damage, he or she may choose a permanent; a spell on the stack (including a permanent spell); any object referred to by an object on the stack, by a replacement or prevention effect that's waiting to apply, or by a delayed triggered ability that's waiting to trigger (even if that object is no longer in the zone it used to be in); or, for certain casual variant games, a face-up card in the command zone. A source doesn't need to be capable of dealing damage to be a legal choice. The source is chosen when the effect is created. If the player chooses a permanent, the effect will apply to the next damage dealt by that permanent, regardless of whether it's combat damage or damage dealt as the result of a spell or ability. If the player chooses a permanent spell, the effect will apply to any damage dealt by that spell and any damage dealt by the permanent that spell becomes when it resolves.
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you can use {circle of protection: red}
to protect from red spells, but the color red is not causing any damage, its just a characteristic of the damage.
That's funny, that's the card I would have used to go, "see!! Red source! Bam!!" But I do see what you guys are saying though. It makes sense.
The problem is it's so hard to explain as different sources due to the rules section not just saying >.> permanents with the same name and abilities do not count as the same source ;~;
I always explain it that source = one card. You can pick a card, one of the {Guttersnipe}s, a {Lightning Strike}. One card.
Try explaining it this way.
A source of damage is, quite simply, where that exact bit of damage is coming from.
Say you have 3 {Guttersnipe}s and cast a {Lightning Bolt}. What actually happens?
- Lightning bolt is put on the stack, targeting Joe.
- Guttersnipe(1)'s trigger for 2 damage is put on the stack
- Guttersnipe(2)'s trigger for 2 damage is put on the stack
- Guttersnipe(3)'s trigger for 2 damage is put on the stack
It's not a single bundle of 9 damage coming at Joe, or a separate pile of 6 for the snipes and 3 for the bolt. Each trigger is coming from a different place (source). If Joe casts {Pay No Heed}, he has to choose one source to prevent, which can be "Lightning Bolt" to prevent 3, or "This particular Guttersnipe here" to prevent 2.
In order for it to work like your friend wants it to, it would need to be worded more like {Pithing Needle}, and say "Name a card, prevented all damage from sources with that name."