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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Munchlax on September 13, 2014, 04:35:00 PM

Title: Opalescence vs Humilty
Post by: Munchlax on September 13, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
What happens when {Opalescence} and {Humility} are on the board at the same time?
Title: Re: Opalescence vs Humilty
Post by: rarehuntertay on September 13, 2014, 04:43:55 PM
10/1/2009: This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence:The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers. The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it's finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence). Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).
10/1/2009: You apply power/toughness changing effects in a series of sublayers in the following order: (a) effects from characteristic-defining abilities; (b) effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; (c) effects that modify power and/or toughness but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; (d) changes from counters; (e) effects that switch a creature's power and toughness. This card's effect is always applied in (b), which means that effects applied in sublayer (c), (d), or (e) will not be overwritten; they will be applied to the new value.

Yah!!! Layers!!!
Title: Re: Opalescence vs Humilty
Post by: Gorzo on September 13, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on September 13, 2014, 05:28:19 PM
So........
They are both 1/1s with no abilities?

It depends, like rarehunter's post says, it boils down to layers and time stamps as to which effect is applied in what order.

Ugh... Layers. Every judge's least favorite thing.
Title: Re: Opalescence vs Humilty
Post by: DrainCleaner on September 14, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Shrek is pleased