There is a potential combo with bloodsoaked champion and butcher of the hoarde. Both are from khans. You could sacrifice the champion to activate the butcher's ability and give it vigilance. If you declared you attack with the butcher, could you raid with the champion in the gy and give it lifelink by sacrificing it a second time. The real question is, are "attacking creatures" considered "attacked creatures?"
Quote from: Crossed on September 11, 2014, 05:16:27 PM
There is a potential combo with bloodsoaked champion and butcher of the hoarde. Both are from khans. You could sacrifice the champion to activate the butcher's ability and give it vigilance. If you declared you attack with the butcher, could you raid with the champion in the gy and give it lifelink by sacrificing it a second time. The real question is, are "attacking creatures" considered "attacked creatures?"
"Attacked with a creature" simply means that you've declared a creature as attacking in the Declare Attackers Step. It works out like you want it to, and the Champion doesn't have any restrictions on when you can use its return ability.
If I'm understanding the question correctly, yes. Once a creature has been declared as an attacker, it has attacked this turn, even if the combat phase is still happening.
While I'm not fully familiar with the spoilers and the set yet, so I don't know the the cards you're mentioning exactly, you are mentioning vigilance, so I feel I should mention that if an attacker is declared and then gains vigilance, it has already been tapped as part of becoming an attacker and gaining vigilance will not untap it.
Quote from: Noblellama on September 11, 2014, 06:36:02 PM
If the burger eats the champion for vigilance, attacks, champion uses ability from the grave to come back, butcher eats it again for life link, then that would be cool
But the real question will be if raid is instant speed or sorcery speed and if "attacked" means post combat phase because during combat you are attacking...
All raids might be second main phase only...
i doubt it. if that was the case they would likely have the text "activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery.". i believe once a creature has been declared an as attacker, you have then "attacked with a creature this turn" and can activate any pertinent raid abilities.
All the other things that have raid are sorcery speed or creatures. I'm gonna assume it works.
I assume it will work the same way {windbrisk heights} does...
I suppose this will be resolved once Wizards releases the official rulings for Khans abilities.
Until then, it is still grasping at straws.