So I just got a lot of the wheels I need for a {nekusar the mind razer} EDH, and the pain cards that help to make this deck effective. My only problem is creature based. With my cut throat meta I need beaters and need the deck to get flowing as quick as possible, I've got a {niv Mizzet the firemind} combo and threw a {thraximundar} in and thinkin on {Jin-Gotaxis Core Augrer}. Any ideas? Lookin for creatures that would work with a converted mana cost preferably under 3.
Bleh! I would not recommend throwing in Jin into the deck, the target on your forehead that you get from it will not be worth it.
{Vampire Nighthawk}, for obvious reasons. {Ruinous Minotaur}, is a fantastic blocker.
{Wall of Frost} few things get past that. And if they do they're still double tapped.
{Fog Bank} nothing gets past that.
{Gaurd Gomoza} same only better.
{Typhod Rats}, {Pharika's Chosen} one mana to trade with any big nasty is great in my books.
Non creature options,
{Blood Reconing} it's just so good.
{Circle of Flame} super effective against token decks. Also works great with {Polymorph's Jest} and {Turn to Frog} effects.
{Propaganda} the classic "go attack somebody else" enchantment.
So from what I'm gathering is set up a strong defence? My other dilemma is wether I should focus on direct creature elimination or counter magic.
Strong defence, yes. If you've got that you just sit back and let your opponents die of card draw. Early game most people will leave you alone cause they're willing to lose some life to draw a few cards, that lets you set up.
As for counters vs straight removal I always lean towards counters as they're far more versatile and deal with things like hexproof and indestructible before they become a problem. However you're running Grixis so you've got options. I'd do,
Counters, counter spells.
Catchers, straight up removal.
Bouncers, to hand effects so you can counter what you missed before.
Board Wipes, in case things get crazy. {Perilous Vault} is the bomb.
When done correctly you can get a pretty effective board lockdown. But I don't know how much you want to take away from you know, killing people.
This sounds like a solid idea, I'm gonna focus mainly on the counter magic, but with just a few spot removals, a few bounce for problems I may not be able to deal with straight away. I honestly don't have any board wipes to deal with the outta control situations. Would love a {nevinrayls disk} or anything along those lines but will probably have to wait and order. What I do have are {killing wave}, {bonfire of the damned} and {extinction} and my favorite, the ultimate arrogance extinguisher {sudden spoiling} cause honestly there's no reason for in not being in any black deck. My other strategy was leaning toward a "gaining control of opponents creature"'s ideas. But worried that they would take away from valuable card slots, but I could get some pretty awesome targets while taking them away from my opponents
{Clone} and {Dack's Duplicate} are almost always worth running. They'll help towards whatever you need more of while your bounce effects can let you reset them if needed. Also {Switcheroo} is great cause you can bounce the creature you give them to get it back. I don't think I'd go into stealing much more than that though.
Think of running {Spiteful Vision}? {Psychosis Crawler} could be good too. {Temple Bell} and {Dictate of Kruphix} are great too.
I have {terefi's puzzle box}, {psychosis crawler}, {fate unraveler}, {spiteful visions}, {keredekt parasite}, {Lilliana's caress} and {megrim}, {hive mind} for the wheels already for it plus a few other cards I've researched. I'm a pretty aggressive player and making a fort style is outta my comfort zone lol, but I feel for the mind razer this is the way it should go. One wheel I'm missing is {wheel of fate} but I just couldn't afford it at the moment. Grave revision is another concern I'm having but will have to play test the deck to figure out some cuts and subs. Very excited about the build however
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on August 27, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
I have {terefi's puzzle box}, {psychosis crawler}, {fate unraveler}, {spiteful visions}, {keredekt parasite}, {Lilliana's caress} and {megrim}, {hive mind} for the wheels already for it plus a few other cards I've researched. I'm a pretty aggressive player and making a fort style is outta my comfort zone lol, but I feel for the mind razer this is the way it should go. One wheel I'm missing is {wheel of fate} but I just couldn't afford it at the moment. Grave revision is another concern I'm having but will have to play test the deck to figure out some cuts and subs. Very excited about the build however
This is sounding like a disgusting deck. :D {Jace's Archivist} is good too.
{Howling Mine}!!!!
How about a {Shocker} or a {Barbed Shocker}!
Also, do you have {Forced Fruition}?
I have all the above mentioned including {dragon Mage} I did extensive research before starting my build, my brain has just been splitting trying to decide creatures for early game strategy. As I said I'm a cut throat, in my derevi stasis I still have a rafiq voltron aspect, just can't help myself. Gonna have to adapt to the fort style, my meta had bumped the life to 60 for 1-1 games cause they were still to quick. I find burn in EDH is a waste of a card slot so I stay clear away from it I'm gonna try the walls.
{Whispering Madness} ciphered on a {Tormented Soul} and just keep your hand full
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also i been thinking {Psychosis Crawler}+{jace memory adept} {Chasm Skulker} {Diviner Spirit} and you make you creature bigger draw a ton of cards deal a ton of damage
I have a nekusar deck built. This is where I went to do research and throw ideas back and forth: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/511377-nekusar-mindwheeling-pain
If you're running Niv then it's worth it to mind over matter (I understand that more than just that card combo with him but it's probably the best one without Niv)
MoM would be awesome in the build, but alas the only one I possess is where it needed most in my azami deck.
Aside from nekusar himself collecting hate, can anyone tell me the general weakness's with this deck? I haven't posted my build just looking to draw from the experience of others.
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on August 30, 2014, 09:17:14 AM
Aside from nekusar himself collecting hate, can anyone tell me the general weakness's with this deck? I haven't posted my build just looking to draw from the experience of others.
The deck has a hard time if the general is removed. Also, because people just dislike having they're plans uprooted by this guy every turn, he tends to get best to death rather fast.