With morph being soiled in khans, I have a few questions about the mechanic.
1. If someone plays a card face down as a 2/2 for the 3 mana morph cost, how do you know if its really a morph card or not?
2. I assume creatures do not get summoning sickness from flipping.
3. Can you look at your own face down morph cards?
I can answer questions 2 and 3 and am looking stuff about 1
2. It's still the same permanent, so, like the Innistrad block flip cards, it won't get summoning sickness.
3. Yes, you can look at your own morph cards.
707.9. If a face-down permanent moves from the battlefield to any other zone, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. If a face-down spell moves from the stack to any zone other than the battlefield, its owner must reveal it to all players as he or she moves it. At the end of each game, all face-down permanents and spells must be revealed to all players.
Ty!
There are dire penalties in tournaments for not revealing any morph cards that are still in "morph form" when the game ends. I was personally distraught when I heard that Morph was returning... The only thing that helps is saying to myself, "Come on, Doug. At least it's not Horsemanship."
At least it isnt banding
As the guy who do does most of the judge calls at FNM at my lgs, I'm really not looking forward to morph. Just because I know how much I'm going to get called called for people not revealing a morph card after a game (probably by mistake, without thinking) and then I'm going to have to make someone real unhappy by ruling.
Quote from: Mr_Fahrenheit on August 26, 2014, 06:15:12 AM
At least it isnt banding
I still don't get why everyone thinks banding is so hard to understand
Quote from: Gorzo on August 26, 2014, 07:34:15 AM
As the guy who do does most of the judge calls at FNM at my lgs, I'm really not looking forward to morph. Just because I know how much I'm going to get called called for people not revealing a morph card after a game (probably by mistake, without thinking) and then I'm going to have to make someone real unhappy by ruling.
Just print the rule out and have it by the sign up sheet!
You can also check if they are cheating using {Spy Network} ;)
Another thing to remember: as of right now, morphing doesn't use the stack. So if someone wants to turn their thing face up, you can't respond. Morph is so weird, but I expect that it will get some rule changes when it gets reprinted, kind of like how convoke changed slightly.
The only morph card I've messed around with is akroma. When I have, I've announced that I was playing her for her morph cost. What I'm getting from this is that's not necessary? Just say you're playing a face down card and it's a 2/2 or 3/3 or whatever?
Quote from: Noblellama on August 26, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
They are always 2/2 when face down
You pay {3} to put it in
The morph cost is to flip her over
People cheat by putting a land or a spell down "morphed" hoping their opponent does do something to find out they are cheating.
Seems kinda lame to do that for a 2/2. Lol. Does the player just announce that they are playing it face down as a 2/2 though? There's no need to spoil what it is? I'm just trying to understand if there's an element of surprise to it. If so, that makes it more interesting.
Quote from: Tabooist on August 26, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on August 26, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
They are always 2/2 when face down
You pay {3} to put it in
The morph cost is to flip her over
People cheat by putting a land or a spell down "morphed" hoping their opponent does do something to find out they are cheating.
Seems kinda lame to do that for a 2/2. Lol. Does the player just announce that they are playing it face down as a 2/2 though? There's no need to spoil what it is? I'm just trying to understand if there's an element of surprise to it. If so, that makes it more interesting.
That is correct. You just pay the 3 mana and place it face down on the stack, waiting to resolve. You do not announce what it is.
For reference:
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Morph
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 26, 2014, 01:42:23 PM
Quote from: Tabooist on August 26, 2014, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on August 26, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
They are always 2/2 when face down
You pay {3} to put it in
The morph cost is to flip her over
People cheat by putting a land or a spell down "morphed" hoping their opponent does do something to find out they are cheating.
Seems kinda lame to do that for a 2/2. Lol. Does the player just announce that they are playing it face down as a 2/2 though? There's no need to spoil what it is? I'm just trying to understand if there's an element of surprise to it. If so, that makes it more interesting.
That is correct. You just pay the 3 mana and place it face down on the stack, waiting to resolve. You do not announce what it is.
Thank you. Haha. I actually looked up rulings on it for once and while I didn't find anything that said you had to announce, I figured that made it fair game to lay down a veritable trap card.
Quote from: Avnger345 on August 26, 2014, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on August 26, 2014, 07:34:15 AM
As the guy who do does most of the judge calls at FNM at my lgs, I'm really not looking forward to morph. Just because I know how much I'm going to get called called for people not revealing a morph card after a game (probably by mistake, without thinking) and then I'm going to have to make someone real unhappy by ruling.
Just print the rule out and have it by the sign up sheet!
That's actually a really good idea! Thank you, I'm going to do that!
Morph has never used the stacked.
When you're paying a morph cost, you're simply ending the effect that keeps the card face-down. You announce you're paying a morph cost, flip the card face up to reveal the correct cost, then pay it (and anything relevant triggers). Nothing in this action uses the stack, except for any resulting triggers. Part of this, I'd suspect, is because you flip the card face-up anyways to show the cost you're paying. What if people could respond to that?
You: "Activate Morph to flip {Akroma, Angel of Fury} face-up."
Me, now knowing it's a Face-Down Akroma: "Response, {Stifle} the Morph, then {Shock} her" (Or just "Shock before she flips)
That'd feel really, really bad.
I kinda have a feeling this is gonna make fnm much more tedious.
Quote from: redwolv on August 27, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
I kinda have a feeling this is gonna make fnm much more tedious.
Imagine playing against it the first time... Ok, I'll let this little 2/2 through, then.... WHAM!!! {Grinning Demon}!!! There goes six life...
Quote from: Noblellama on August 26, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
Imagine a deck full of morph and you don't know which to counter because they can only be countered when cast but not when flipped.
Imagine you counter the {Scornful Egotist} instead of the {Akroma, Angel of Fury}
Can you morph while the spell is still on the stack? For instance cast akroma morphed. Opponent counterspells and in response pay the morph cost to flip the spell and make her an illegal target.
Quote from: Pleeb on August 27, 2014, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on August 26, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
Imagine a deck full of morph and you don't know which to counter because they can only be countered when cast but not when flipped.
Imagine you counter the {Scornful Egotist} instead of the {Akroma, Angel of Fury}
Can you morph while the spell is still on the stack? For instance cast akroma morphed. Opponent counterspells and in response pay the morph cost to flip the spell and make her an illegal target.
No you cannot
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 27, 2014, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: redwolv on August 27, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
I kinda have a feeling this is gonna make fnm much more tedious.
Imagine playing against it the first time... Ok, I'll let this little 2/2 through, then.... WHAM!!! {Grinning Demon}!!! There goes six life...
So you can flip them after blockers have been declared and cause they does use the stack the opponent does not even get a chance to respond. That seems a lot like cheating, it is one thing to {Titanic Growth} for the kill, but at least it give them the chance to respond with something like fog.
Ohhhh wrll that is good to hear
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 27, 2014, 01:09:14 AM
Morph has never used the stacked.
Wait.. So they cant respond to morph but you can respond to something with it?
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 29, 2014, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on August 27, 2014, 01:09:14 AM
Morph has never used the stacked.
Wait.. So they cant respond to morph but you can respond to something with it?
no one can respond to the action of flipping a morphed card. however, once the card is flipped, any abilities that trigger will trigger and those can be responded too. if there are no abilities that trigger then priority goes back to normal and active player will be able to act and then non active players. its not that they're responding to the morph its that priority still passes like normal after the creature is face up.
On another note they reveiled there is a 1 mana Artifact that lets you look at face down creatures your opponents control coming out in the first expantion from kahns