Was curious as to what are the pros and cons of each of these. They all have similar effects and are all {W}{B}.
{Castigate}
{Hide//Seek}
{Tidehollow Sculler}
{Castigate},
Pros: Guaranteed to nail something that's going to be a threat. They can't get the card back.
Cons: they may not have anything important in hand.
{Hide//Seek},
Pros: removes the card regardless of where it is. Let's you scope out your opponents library.
Cons: you have to know what they're playing before you start searching.
That zombie thingy,
Pros: {Castigate} on a stick.
Cons: that they can actually get their card back.
{Thoughtsieze},
Pros: T1 playable for immediate hand disruption.
Cons: 2 life. Graveyard retrieval.
{Brain Maggot},
Pros: {Castigate} on a stick.
Cons: fragile. They can get their card back.
1st: {Castigate}, because it does what you need to do, which is remove a card from an opponents hand.
2nd: {Thoughtsieze}, there's a reason everybody has heard of it. It also has the highest price tag. If it weren't for my bias against paying two life it'd be first.
3rd: That Zombie Thingy, only cause it's a decent creature. I hate that they can get it back.
4th: {Brain Maggot}, see above. Only more fragile.
5th: {Hide//Seek}, it's only really useful game two or if you've been playing a lot of hand disruption. I prefer {Stain the Mind}.
Other noteworthy cards: {Duress} and {Distress}
Quote from: Taysby on August 21, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
You don't have to name the card for hide and seek. Unless the oracle text changed it?
Nope, here is the Oracle text:
Search target opponent's library for a card and exile it. You gain life equal to its converted mana cost. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 21, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
You don't have to name the card for hide and seek. Unless the oracle text changed it?
Nope, here is the Oracle text:
Search target opponent's library for a card and exile it. You gain life equal to its converted mana cost. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Oh. I'm dumb. Seek into {Stain the Mind}. That's a win. With that in mind I like it better than {Brain Maggot} and that zombie thingy whose name I can't spell.
Tidehollow sculler is good if your playing an aggro/tempo deck like Deadguy and need to get a crucial card while still applying pressure.
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I'm a sucker for {Tidehollow Sculler}. I think that dude is a badass.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 21, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
I'm a sucker for {Tidehollow Sculler}. I think that dude is a badass.
But isn't {brain maggot} strictly better?
Quote from: Munchlax on August 21, 2014, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 21, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
I'm a sucker for {Tidehollow Sculler}. I think that dude is a badass.
But isn't {brain maggot} strictly better?
No. {Tidehollow Sculler} is a 2/2, {Brain Maggot} is a 1/1
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 04:01:57 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 21, 2014, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 21, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
I'm a sucker for {Tidehollow Sculler}. I think that dude is a badass.
But isn't {brain maggot} strictly better?
No. {Tidehollow Sculler} is a 2/2, {Brain Maggot} is a 1/1
I always forget to check power and toughness with utility creatures
And tide hollow doesn't die to doom blade :p
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 22, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
And tide hollow doesn't die to doom blade :p
Neither does {Brain Maggot}. 😑
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 21, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
I'm a sucker for {Tidehollow Sculler}. I think that dude is a badass.
This
{Vindicate}
{Identity Crisis}
{Sin Collector}
So us no one talking about how link thinks {castigate} is better than {Thoughtseize}?
Quote from: CrackaLacka on August 22, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
So us no one talking about how link thinks {castigate} is better than {Thoughtseize}?
I can argue both but in 85% of cases {Thoughtseize} is better!!!
My main thing against thoughtseize is the $ price, I can agree it is 100% better (depending on your deck maybe? Idk...like if you absolutely can't lose life then idk.) but yeah. Castigate seems like a next best thing, and! They can't get it out if the GY
I've always liked {Night Terrors} the other two are better but I like the exile effect. I played it in standard against Reanimator decks. Worked wonders
Quote from: CrackaLacka on August 22, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
So us no one talking about how link thinks {castigate} is better than {Thoughtseize}?
Did I mention my personal bias against paying life for effects?
{Thoughtsieze} costs one mana less, which is because of the life lost. It also makes the card retrievable (depending on who you're playing against.)
Yes the one turn later is a huge deal. But later game {Castigate} is the better draw.
Ya but link late game both are bad draws. You want to play T Seize turn 1 so you can take the card that they NEED! Whereas sometimes the castigate is too slow
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 30, 2014, 02:54:05 AM
Ya but link late game both are bad draws. You want to play T Seize turn 1 so you can take the card that they NEED! Whereas sometimes the castigate is too slow
Example {AEther Vial}
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 30, 2014, 02:54:21 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 30, 2014, 02:54:05 AM
Ya but link late game both are bad draws. You want to play T Seize turn 1 so you can take the card that they NEED! Whereas sometimes the castigate is too slow
Example {AEther Vial}
Fair enough. I concede that {Thoughtsieze} is better.