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Title: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 18, 2014, 01:40:22 PM
Suggestions for the deck? I am thinking {Mikeaus, the Unhallowed}, {Thundermaw Hellkite}, {Stormbreath Dragon}, {Triskelion}, {Cyclonic Rift}, {Invisible Stalker}, what else?
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
{Flayer of the Hatebound}
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 18, 2014, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 02:33:03 PM
{Flayer of the Hatebound}
You sir are cruel, and Grenzo seems good too, keep it coming. {Dimir Cutpurse} and {Dack's Duplicate} seems good.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 03:33:40 PM
Have good sac outlets and "Pay Life" effects so the dethrone triggers will always go off. My personal favourite is {Treasonous Ogre}. Also, {Scourge of the Throne} is good and maybe cards that throw +1/+1 counters on your creatures.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Gorzo on August 18, 2014, 04:16:05 PM
Stuff that enters with +1/+1 counters on them are stupid with {Marchesa, The Black Rose}'s last ability, because they will automatically revive from death without needing to even attack and dethrone first. For example, {Pentavus} is ridiculous.

Obviously ETB effects are pretty strong with Marchesa as well.

You'll want to manage your own life total very carefully. You never want to have the most life, so you have someone to dethrone. {Soul Conduit} might be worth considering, but is alot of mana. You'll want to manage your life downward with stuff like {Promise of Power} and {Greed} effects, but you'll want to be careful not to get yourself killed. It might be wise to have ways to gain life as well, just in case you make yourself a target.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: LinkCelestrial on August 18, 2014, 04:22:48 PM
{Erebos, God of the Dead}, {Underworld Connections}.

Anything with undying. {Butcher Goul}, ect.

Flavour cards like {Death by Dragons} and {Akron Horse}.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
 {Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Nymuera on August 18, 2014, 10:39:13 PM
{Thraximundar}
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Spencer Addington on August 18, 2014, 11:13:23 PM
{Blood artist} and {geralfs messenger} could be good
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Gocougs509 on August 19, 2014, 04:36:33 AM
{avalanche riders} works very well :) So does {glen-elandra archmage}
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Almosteric on August 21, 2014, 07:13:18 PM
If you don't have {unspeakable symbol} you're doing it wrong. I've had a lot of fun with my list I'll bump it. For you. :)
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.

The one I made for a friend has a bunch of sac effects like {barter in blood}, do you get super value.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: blackychan1 on August 21, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.
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Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: AdamS on August 21, 2014, 10:30:49 PM
 {Warstorm Surge}
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Gocougs509 on August 21, 2014, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.

The one I made for a friend has a bunch of sac effects like {barter in blood}, do you get super value.

Do you know how to use the phrase "strictly better" when it comes to mtg? Because it does not apply to this comparison at all...
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: AdamS on August 21, 2014, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 21, 2014, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.

The one I made for a friend has a bunch of sac effects like {barter in blood}, do you get super value.

Do you know how to use the phrase "strictly better" when it comes to mtg? Because it does not apply to this comparison at all...
unless the price tag was the thing that was better lol
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 21, 2014, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.

The one I made for a friend has a bunch of sac effects like {barter in blood}, do you get super value.

Do you know how to use the phrase "strictly better" when it comes to mtg? Because it does not apply to this comparison at all...
Price tag, and it's repeatable (6 isn't much in edh), and you can mess with other people's totals as well.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Now I ees supah confus.
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Munchlax on August 22, 2014, 12:24:28 AM
{Diabolic intent} is good with Marchesa
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: blackychan1 on August 22, 2014, 12:55:03 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Now I ees supah confus.
It was due to you dissing {storm crow}
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Thetrufflehunter on August 22, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on August 22, 2014, 12:55:03 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Now I ees supah confus.
It was due to you dissing {storm crow}
Ah, I knew just was gonna be a bad idea :P
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: AdamS on August 22, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 22, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on August 22, 2014, 12:55:03 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Now I ees supah confus.
It was due to you dissing {storm crow}
Ah, I knew just was gonna be a bad idea :P
i vote we get a ten day ban on people who think storm crow is a good card XD because it obviously not lol
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Almosteric on August 22, 2014, 04:25:26 PM
Quote from: AdamS on August 22, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 22, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: blackychan1 on August 22, 2014, 12:55:03 AM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 21, 2014, 11:35:09 PM
I love how "strictly better" gets tossed around. There is no such thing in a game as complex as Magic.
True. I guess I should've said I just "preferred".

Although... {sea coast drake} is strictly better than {storm crow}.
I'm requesting you get a 10 day ban.
I seriously hope you're joking :P
I seriously don't think I am :/
Oh... I'm sorry if I was being offensive. Could you please tell me what I did?
;) :P :))
Now I ees supah confus.
It was due to you dissing {storm crow}
Ah, I knew just was gonna be a bad idea :P
i vote we get a ten day ban on people who think storm crow is a good card XD because it obviously not lol

Not a good card...  Correct.
The best card.....  Correct
Title: Re: Marchesa, the Black Rose
Post by: Gocougs509 on August 23, 2014, 03:58:17 AM
Quote from: Taysby on August 22, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 21, 2014, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 21, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
Quote from: MommaB on August 18, 2014, 04:32:42 PM
{Mirror Universe} also just to help bc then ur life switches in upkeep to have ur whole turn to reek havic lol n no extra six mana waste
{soul conduit} is strictly better.

The one I made for a friend has a bunch of sac effects like {barter in blood}, do you get super value.

Do you know how to use the phrase "strictly better" when it comes to mtg? Because it does not apply to this comparison at all...
Price tag, and it's repeatable (6 isn't much in edh), and you can mess with other people's totals as well.

Strictly better is it does the same thing for less mana, or does more for the same amount of mana.  Mirror universe is better, but not strictly better.
Sorry, that's one of my pet peeves.

^This