Phrexian revoker or pithing needle
That's really tough. They both have things going for them.
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
Agreed.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Very small drawback compared to the upsides. How often do you play {Phyrexian Revoker} on a mana rock? It's more likely to be nailing Planeswalkers or other nasties.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 17, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Very small drawback compared to the upsides. How often do you play {Phyrexian Revoker} on a mana rock? It's more likely to be nailing Planeswalkers or other nasties.
The drawback of not being able to attack for two is pretty relevant though...
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 17, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 17, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Very small drawback compared to the upsides. How often do you play {Phyrexian Revoker} on a mana rock? It's more likely to be nailing Planeswalkers or other nasties.
The drawback of not being able to attack for two is pretty relevant though...
Not if the {Phyrexian Revoker} is actually being productive. There's no way they wouldn't block and kill it if it's tying up anything important. Short of having no creatures in which case a 2/1 really isn't your best damage output.
Quote from: Noblellama on August 18, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on August 16, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
Just dawned on me {Phyrexian Revoker} is STRICTLY better than {bronze sable}
SHOTS FIRED!!!!!!
Just messing Llama
Bronze Sable > Storm Crow
Yeah, went there...
As priest of the Stormcrowieth Church, YOU HAVE SINNED AGAINST OUR BIRD AND SAVIOR!!!!
Can we stop with the Storm Crow .poo. like seriously it's a dumb thing. Plus {Bronze Sable} > anything.
Also I'd go for needle the "dies to doom blade argument" should never be a reason to not run a creature but in this case I think it should
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
Can we stop with the Storm Crow .poo. like seriously it's a dumb thing. Plus {Bronze Sable} > anything.
Also I'd go for needle the "dies to doom blade argument" should never be a reason to not run a creature but in this case I think it should
How about dies to {Spark Jolt}?
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 18, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
Can we stop with the Storm Crow .poo. like seriously it's a dumb thing. Plus {Bronze Sable} > anything.
Also I'd go for needle the "dies to doom blade argument" should never be a reason to not run a creature but in this case I think it should
How about dies to {Spark Jolt}?
Another reason why Pithing Needle is better!
But thenagain what deck is it for? Bc hate bears would prefer revoker
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 18, 2014, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 17, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 17, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Very small drawback compared to the upsides. How often do you play {Phyrexian Revoker} on a mana rock? It's more likely to be nailing Planeswalkers or other nasties.
The drawback of not being able to attack for two is pretty relevant though...
Not if the {Phyrexian Revoker} is actually being productive. There's no way they wouldn't block and kill it if it's tying up anything important. Short of having no creatures in which case a 2/1 really isn't your best damage output.
A 2/1 for damage output is still MUCH better then no damage output at all....lol there is really no argument against that
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 18, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
Can we stop with the Storm Crow .poo. like seriously it's a dumb thing. Plus {Bronze Sable} > anything.
Also I'd go for needle the "dies to doom blade argument" should never be a reason to not run a creature but in this case I think it should
How about dies to {Spark Jolt}?
Another reason why Pithing Needle is better!
But thenagain what deck is it for? Bc hate bears would prefer revoker
Agreed and it all depends on what kinda deck you are making.
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 19, 2014, 03:47:24 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 18, 2014, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on August 17, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 17, 2014, 03:59:09 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 16, 2014, 07:42:44 PM
{Pithing Needle}, because,
It doesn't die to creature removal.
It's one mana less.
It's harder to slow down with bounce spells.
But doesn't stop creature created mana
Very small drawback compared to the upsides. How often do you play {Phyrexian Revoker} on a mana rock? It's more likely to be nailing Planeswalkers or other nasties.
The drawback of not being able to attack for two is pretty relevant though...
Not if the {Phyrexian Revoker} is actually being productive. There's no way they wouldn't block and kill it if it's tying up anything important. Short of having no creatures in which case a 2/1 really isn't your best damage output.
A 2/1 for damage output is still MUCH better then no damage output at all....lol there is really no argument against that
Having the card sit there and do what it's supposed to is better than having it removed from the battlefield. No argument there. ;)
My point was that if you have your opponent open for hits with a 2/1 you're going to be swinging bigger nasties.
My argument is that {Pithing Needle} is better because it's way more likely to sit there and do what it's supposed to do. {Phyrexian Revoker} is just too fragile in comparison to have a 2/1 frame and mana rock stoppage make up for it.
I'm looking at two cards that do basically the same thing and I'm saying this,
"that card will do it better cause it's most likely to not get blown up. By a lot."
You are looking at these same cards and saying,
"This one does more stuff, therefore it's better."
In this case I think I'm right (of course I do I'm me) because the effect we're looking at is best when it's hardest to get rid of.
This isn't {Shock} vs {Lightning Bolt}. It's utility vs survivability.
They are situationally better, but in my opinion {Pithing Needle} is going to be better most often.
I'm not trying to be a jerk or put you down, I'm just trying to back up my statement.
Why not run both?
Lol 2 of each. Hard tacos or soft.. Both is always the answer. I'll see which one does better