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Title: Hammerhand
Post by: jonrox3 on August 13, 2014, 10:19:24 PM
Im feeling iffy on this, but when you play {hammerhand} can you target the creature that you enchant? This would be for heroic btw.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 13, 2014, 10:21:02 PM
Yes, the card doesn't have any restrictions on the target other than "creature," so you can target any creature, even the enchanted one.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: jonrox3 on August 13, 2014, 11:04:43 PM
Oh, okay thanks
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Subiskier on August 14, 2014, 01:06:50 AM
Does heroic not trigger from auras? Or the enter the battlefield trigger?
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Remillo on August 14, 2014, 01:16:45 AM
Heroic ony triggers when a Spell is cast that targets the creature.  Triggered abilities, like the 'can't block' on hammerhand, are not spells.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Gorzo on August 14, 2014, 01:39:22 AM
Remillo has it correct.

In addition, you can only trigger heroic one time per spell anyways, so even a spell that actually does target the same target multiple times as a single spell (a rare occasion, like with {Common Bond}), you will still only get one heroic trigger.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: blackychan1 on August 14, 2014, 02:37:45 AM
Looks like I've been using {common bond} incorrectly....
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: DrainCleaner on August 14, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 14, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.
Thank you for that. Thought it was a "when you cast" not an "enter battlefield" sorry about that.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Remillo on August 14, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: DrainCleaner on August 14, 2014, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Destore117 on August 14, 2014, 11:13:06 AM
However a good point to be raised, {Hammerhand} could be used to target 2 seperate heroic creatures, one to enchant, one that can't block. Therefore, buffing 2 of your creatures at no expense to yourself. (Cuz you don't need to worry about blocking on your turn right?)
Also, if you have Constellation creatures in play, all in all. I can see Hammerhand having many fine uses.

It will only trigger heroic for the creature it enchants. The can't block clause is a triggered ability and not a spell so it will not trigger a heroic ability.
Thank you for that. Thought it was a "when you cast" not an "enter battlefield" sorry about that.

Even if it were a Cast Trigger, it's still just that, a Trigger.  An Ability, not a spell.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: Gorzo on August 14, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on August 14, 2014, 02:37:45 AM
Looks like I've been using {common bond} incorrectly....

Don't worry, that one trips up a LOT of people :P it's all about the wording of heroic.
  {Akroan Skyguard}
"Whenever you cast a spell that targets..."
Even if you targeted Skyguard with {Common Bond} twice, you still only cast {Common Bond} once.
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: jonrox3 on August 15, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Wait so {coordinated assault} only gets one creature?
Title: Re: Hammerhand
Post by: jonrox3 on August 15, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
Ohhh okay, I understand it now. Thanks