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GP OKC Melira Pod 60 cards, 15 sideboard 3 {Gavony Township} 4 {Misty Rainforest} 4 {Verdant Catacombs} 1 {Temple Garden} 1 {Woodland Cemetery} 3 {Forest} 2 {Overgrown Tomb} 1 {Swamp} 3 {Razorverge Thicket} 1 {Godless Shrine} 23 lands 4 {Birds of Paradise} 1 {Qasali Pridemage} 1 {Melira, Sylvok Outcast} 1 {Viscera Seer} 1 {Reveillark} 1 {Spellskite} 1 {Orzhov Pontiff} 1 {Eternal Witness} 1 {Scavenging Ooze} 4 {Kitchen Finks} 1 {Linvala, Keeper of Silence} 1 {Shriekmaw} 1 {Thrun, the Last Troll} 3 {Noble Hierarch} 2 {Voice of Resurgence} 2 {Murderous Redcap} 1 {Wall of Roots} 1 {Ranger of Eos} 28 creatures 3 {Chord of Calling} 2 {Abrupt Decay} 4 {Birthing Pod} 9 other spells Sideboard 1 {Eidolon of Rhetoric} 1 {Slaughter Pact} 2 {Path to Exile} 1 {Sin Collector} 1 {Reclamation Sage} 1 {Lingering Souls} 1 {Entomber Exarch} 4 {Thoughtseize} 1 {Scavenging Ooze} 1 {Dismember} 1 {Voice of Resurgence} 15 sideboard cards Notes:

Alright! This is my (maybe) finished list! Any suggestions?

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 12:17:45 AM
Alright! This is my (maybe) finished list! Any suggestions?

Other than burn it lol

My suggestion is that I like multiple {Wall of Roots} bc mana is so important and Wall + Chord = awesomeness lol but idk I don't play pod just saying my 38¢

Just playtest, playtest, playtest, and memorize your creatures.  So many times I watch people play a tool box tutor deck and they don't know what to search for because they can't remember all the 1 ofs.

Should I add the {spike feeder} & {archangel of thune} combo?

Why did pod take it out in the first place?

I personally like the archangel combo because archangel is just great on its own. I also have been liking one resto in the mb, as well as the 3rd voice. I also like having 9 fetches, so 1 marsh flats would be nice

So...
1) trade voice for thrun
2) -1 redcap +1 Resto angel
3) -1 forest +1 marsh flats

Does this sum up the suggestions?

Quote from: ConanEdo on August 07, 2014, 04:38:09 PM

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
So...
1) trade voice for thrun
2) -1 redcap +1 Resto angel
3) -1 forest +1 marsh flats

Does this sum up the suggestions?

Take out Eidolon for something else and then yes.

{Eidolon of Rhetoric} is also incredible against Affinity and the two are quite popular right now. Also has some utility against Twin because they cast {Splinter Twin} or {Kiki Jiki, Mirrorbreaker} and in response you {Abrupt Decay} the {Deceiver Exarch} or {Pestermite}, they can't respond with anything because of the one spell per turn limit. (Yes I know they can't counter {Abupt Decay} but they could drop a second combo piece for example another Kiki or Twin). I have been thinking about {Thalia, Guardian of Thraben} in the sideboard because it has a lot of versatility against a good amount of the meta. I also really want to make {Sigarda, Host of Herons} in the maindeck but it was best when Jund was at large, I still think it could find a place in the deck, but It would require more testing.

Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

And it isn't good against Twin since you are asking for a near impossible set up. Twin players don't go for the combo, either. It is an oops I win factor, and nothing more. Dealing with it is helpful, but nothing better as you'll lose to the burn and beat down anyways.

Trash Rhetoric. Thalia also neuters Pod, Chord, Thoughtseize, Path, Slaughter Pact, Lingering Souls and Abrupt Decay. Running disruption in the form of creatures is better against tempo oriented decks anyways.

Trash rhetoric for what, though?

3 gavony township seems like a lot. If it works for you thats great, but I think 2 is enough considering 3 might give you some trouble with mana but idk. Also I'm jelly of this deck, wish I had the cards/money to make it :(

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 07, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
3 gavony township seems like a lot. If it works for you thats great, but I think 2 is enough considering 3 might give you some trouble with mana but idk. Also I'm jelly of this deck, wish I had the cards/money to make it :(

3 is pretty standard, and it is good for resetting Persist creatures, plus its a huge asset when you have to go on the beatdown path.

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 07, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

What better against affinity? It's a pretty widely played deck at my LGS.

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 09:33:28 PM

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 07, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

What better against affinity? It's a pretty widely played deck at my LGS.

I think he was trying to say "{Kataki, War's Wage} is better against Affinity", but the Autocorrect menace is always looming....

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2014, 09:28:33 PM

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 07, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
3 gavony township seems like a lot. If it works for you thats great, but I think 2 is enough considering 3 might give you some trouble with mana but idk. Also I'm jelly of this deck, wish I had the cards/money to make it :(

3 is pretty standard, and it is good for resetting Persist creatures, plus its a huge asset when you have to go on the beatdown path.

How does that work again xD?

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 07, 2014, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2014, 09:28:33 PM

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 07, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
3 gavony township seems like a lot. If it works for you thats great, but I think 2 is enough considering 3 might give you some trouble with mana but idk. Also I'm jelly of this deck, wish I had the cards/money to make it :(

3 is pretty standard, and it is good for resetting Persist creatures, plus its a huge asset when you have to go on the beatdown path.

How does that work again xD?

What do you mean? Resetting the Persist creatures? If that's what you mean it works like this: {Kitchen Finks} dies and a -1/-1 counter gets placed on it, when you activate {Gavony Township} the +1/+1 and the -1/-1 counters cross out, so it is just a {Kitchen Finks} without any counters on it.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2014, 09:49:50 PM

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 09:33:28 PM

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 07, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

What better against affinity? It's a pretty widely played deck at my LGS.

I think he was trying to say "{Kataki, War's Wage} is better against Affinity", but the Autocorrect menace is always looming....

Idk if I'd bother affinity lists are siding in {gut shot} as an answer for Kataki

Quote from: ConanEdo on August 08, 2014, 12:43:30 AM

Quote from: imthelolrus on August 07, 2014, 11:46:29 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2014, 09:49:50 PM

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 09:33:28 PM

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 07, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

What better against affinity? It's a pretty widely played deck at my LGS.

I think he was trying to say "{Kataki, War's Wage} is better against Affinity", but the Autocorrect menace is always looming....

Idk if I'd bother affinity lists are siding in {gut shot} as an answer for Kataki

Yeah, I cut Kataki, don't run Etherswarn after cutting Eidolon.

Orzhov Pontiff, Lingering Souls and any attrition works. Keep abrupt decay in. Also, I would run a second Pontiff in sideboard.

Quote from: ConanEdo on August 08, 2014, 04:25:30 PM

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 08, 2014, 11:52:36 AM

Quote from: ConanEdo on August 08, 2014, 12:43:30 AM

Quote from: imthelolrus on August 07, 2014, 11:46:29 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 07, 2014, 09:49:50 PM

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 07, 2014, 09:33:28 PM

Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on August 07, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Karakoram is better against Affinity than Rhetoric, and that is already too slow. Which is why a lot of people dropped it. By the time you have Rhetoric out, Affinity is playing a spell per turn.

What better against affinity? It's a pretty widely played deck at my LGS.

I think he was trying to say "{Kataki, War's Wage} is better against Affinity", but the Autocorrect menace is always looming....

Idk if I'd bother affinity lists are siding in {gut shot} as an answer for Kataki

Yeah, I cut Kataki, don't run Etherswarn after cutting Eidolon.

Orzhov Pontiff, Lingering Souls and any attrition works. Keep abrupt decay in. Also, I would run a second Pontiff in sideboard.

I like Souls a bit more since it's relevant in more matchups. I think Pontiff is fine as a second in the board, but it's not the end of the world if you don't.

Pontiff does what Souls does and more, as it involves combo tricks and gets rid of other Soul tokens as well. Pontiff is definitely a better option, but requires so much playing with and around to make it good. Lingering Souls is definitely a test if you don't think having a second pontiff is good enough or you can't use it properly.

You guys are awesome. There is so much thought put into modern. So, which card should I cut from the sideboard to put in a second pontiff? And is there a creature that does what {lingering souls} does? I board it in, but never seem to draw it. So I thought that maybe something I could pod or chord for would be better?

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 09, 2014, 06:11:52 AM
You guys are awesome. There is so much thought put into modern. So, which card should I cut from the sideboard to put in a second pontiff? And is there a creature that does what {lingering souls} does? I board it in, but never seem to draw it. So I thought that maybe something I could pod or chord for would be better?

There is {Geist honored monk}, but she's eh.. I'll think about it

Edit: random creatures that make tokens:

{belfry spirit}

Hint: don't add these too your deck

Conan, out if curiosity what's your current sideboard like?

For a GP, I would take out a Lingering Souls and Athreos for a Orzhov Pontiff and Entomber Exarch. I would also run another dismember over the second Path, but path is better in those matchups as well. But this is how I would play the deck, as well, which may not always be the best.

Quote from: Taysby on August 10, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
how about {yisan, the wanderer bard} for pods 5-8?
pod takes 1 and phyrexian green to activate, he costs 3 to activate.  pod costs 3 and phyrexian green and he costs 2g.  however, he doesn't make you sac dudes to activate it, so it's easier to pod into {viscera seer} {melira, sylvok outcast} {kitchen finks} for infinite life, then {murderous redcap} for infinite damage.  seems like a really nice curve...

Taysby surely even you can understand how bad Yisan is ...

You don't need pod every game either. Conan basically stated everything bad about it, too.

The advantage of Pod is that it comes out of nowhere. I can sac a {Voice of Resurgence} to find {Kitchen Finks}, next turn untap and sac the token to {Viscera Seer} and {Chord of Calling} into {Melira, Sylvok Outcast} to go infinite. Your opponent has to react in a short span or lose. With {Yisan, the Wandering Bard} you have to make it glaringly obvious you are going for the kill, its over three turns so your opponent has all the time in the world to react, it takes a bigger mana investment, and it detracts from your beatdown plan which is the win con the majority of the time. Long story short, don't do it.

I have decided to main deck the {archangel of thune} + {spike feeder} combo. Where should it go? I do not currently own a linvala. (Traded it for a misty) so I may temporarily keep archangel in linvalas spot. But I need a permanent place for her.

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 23, 2014, 01:04:53 AM
I have decided to main deck the {archangel of thune} + {spike feeder} combo. Where should it go? I do not currently own a linvala. (Traded it for a misty) so I may temporarily keep archangel in linvalas spot. But I need a permanent place for her.

All of the decks that play the archangel/ feeder combo cut the Melira combo and the deck is no longer called melira pod its angel pod xD

Proooof:
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/luck-skill-victory-angel-pod/

But I like the Melira combo! Nothing runs both?

Quote from: blackychan1 on August 23, 2014, 12:25:31 PM
But I like the Melira combo! Nothing runs both?

Nope, not enough room. If you run both it messes up your pod curve, etc