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Title: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 05, 2014, 12:15:55 PM

Goblin Charbelcher

75 cards, 15 sideboard


1 {Stomping Ground}

1 lands


3 {Street Wraith}
4 {Elvish Spirit Guide}
4 {Tinder Wall}
4 {Simian Spirit Guide}

15 creatures


4 {Goblin Charbelcher}
1 {Chrome Mox}
4 {Lotus Petal}
4 {Desperate Ritual}
4 {Pyretic Ritual}
4 {Rite of Flame}
4 {Seething Song}
4 {Manamorphose}
4 {Burning Wish}
3 {Empty the Warrens}
4 {Land Grant}
4 {Gitaxian Probe}

44 other spells


Sideboard

4 {Pyroblast}
1 {Tendrils of Agony}
4 {Xantid Swarm}
1 {Diminishing Returns}
1 {Reforge the Soul}
1 {Reverent Silence}
1 {Shattering Spree}
1 {Empty the Warrens}
1 {Pyroclasm}

15 sideboard cards



Notes:
Trying to keep this as budget as possible for legacy, so no {Lion's Eye Diamond}, but could use suggestions, especially with the sideboard.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 05, 2014, 04:06:54 PM
Sorry, forgot to add the Charbelchers.  Kind of an important card.  I was looking for cheaper modern/legacy decks and found this.  I avoided looking online for decklists other than for which colors to use.  I'm not sure why there aren't more Charbelcher legacy decks being played in tournaments, when others are playing $500 decks, this one costs around $90 and still consistently wins.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: ihasfrozen on August 05, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
Belcher certainly has a lot of power, but I think the reason it doesn't show up too often is it's weakness to blue tempo decks (and blue decks in general), and ability to just lose to itself.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Falcon182 on August 05, 2014, 05:33:07 PM
Yeah, it burns through a lot of resources only to have its business spell countered. Can't really recover from that.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 06, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Isn't it pretty much the same as {Pyroblast}?
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 06, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
And thanks to {{Taysby}} for posting the sideboard of this on the Tournament Level Decks thread!  Though I don't understand why a Garruk is there.  Seems like it's not the best card to put in.  Could someone explain?
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 06, 2014, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
And thanks to {{Taysby}} for posting the sideboard of this on the Teri 1 decks thread!  Though I don't under stand why a Garruk is there.  Seems like it's not the best card to put in.  Could someone explain?
That is odd. He is a strong walker though and there isn't much hate against planeswalkers in legacy except {Lightning Bolt}. Dropping a 3/3 every turn can easily win a game.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Isn't it pretty much the same as {Pyroblast}?
Yes. But it's 30 cents cheaper
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Falcon182 on August 07, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on August 07, 2014, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Isn't it pretty much the same as {Pyroblast}?
Yes. But it's 30 cents cheaper
Also, REB can't be misdirected if I'm not mistaken.

Why not?
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 07, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 07, 2014, 02:57:28 AM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
And thanks to {{Taysby}} for posting the sideboard of this on the Teir 1 decks thread!  Though I don't understand why a Garruk is there.  Seems like it's not the best card to put in.  Could someone explain?

I have no idea.  I just copied a recent top 8 list.
Yeah, I know, I wasn't trying to ask why you put it in there, just why it was in the decklist you copied.  I had no intent to make it sound at all like your fault.  I think it would help me understand more how the deck works and it's weaknesses.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: Dstyle1 on August 09, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on August 07, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on August 07, 2014, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Isn't it pretty much the same as {Pyroblast}?
Yes. But it's 30 cents cheaper
Also, REB can't be misdirected if I'm not mistaken.

Why not?

Pyrobladt says target permanent. While REB does not.
Title: Re: Goblin Charbelcher
Post by: TheRagingMage on August 09, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 09, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on August 07, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on August 07, 2014, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 06, 2014, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Gleemax on August 06, 2014, 06:15:28 PM
How do you suggest I sideboard?  The Sorceries are used for Burning Wish, but what should I switch out for {Xantid Swarm} and {Pyroblast}?
And {Red Elemental Blast}
Isn't it pretty much the same as {Pyroblast}?
Yes. But it's 30 cents cheaper
Also, REB can't be misdirected if I'm not mistaken.

Why not?

Pyrobladt says target permanent. While REB does not.
Check the oracle text.  They both target.
The only major difference is this (from Gatherer):

9/16/2007   You can change the text of this spell after announcing it to change the color that it will affect. This works, because the color isn't part of the targeting requirement.
9/16/2007   Note that Pyroblast can target any spell or permanent, not just a blue one. It checks the color of the target only on resolution.