Because of rule 100.6b (the one that says you can use the event locator), and rule 712.5 (what you can do while you control a player) you can force players to use their phones to look up events, making them go over data caps or conceding!!! Douchiest thing ever, and Tabak confirms that its good.
That's.... Something that can happen within the rules, yes. However, I'd expect a judge to be called immediately.
There are three ways it can go:
1) "Stop being stupid"
2) "Do it quickly or you'll get Slow Play/Stalling"
3) "Electronic Devices aren't allowed at this REL"
I'd lean towards the first one.
Quote from: Remillo on July 31, 2014, 04:49:10 PM
There are three ways it can go:
1) "Stop being stupid"
2) "Do it quickly or you'll get Slow Play/Stalling"
3) "Electronic Devices aren't allowed at this REL"
I'd lean towards the first one.
i thought when you take over a players turn, you cant make them take illegal actions, including using electronic devices. and is there a legit answer for the elctronic devices thing? cause ive heard its become completely banned, but recently on an scg video i saw a player looking up oracle text on his phone with a judge right beside him. is it, no phones except if looking up oracle text? cause that seems really blurred.
Well, technically, rule 100.6b doesn't allow you to do it during matches. And even if it did, rule 101.2 overrules it using the restriction on electronic devices at Competitive REL (if we actually want a rule number for that):
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't
happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
As for electronic devices:
At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level, players may not use electronic devices once they have sat for their match or during deck construction, with the exception of taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission.
However, we get a little leeway with this one and can allow players to look up Oracle text with their own devices while a judge is watching, though we'll often use our own devices to pull it up for them.
Quote from: Remillo on July 31, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
Well, technically, rule 100.6b doesn't allow you to do it during matches. And even if it did, rule 101.2 overrules it using the restriction on electronic devices at Competitive REL (if we actually want a rule number for that):
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't
happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
As for electronic devices:
At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level, players may not use electronic devices once they have sat for their match or during deck construction, with the exception of taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission.
However, we get a little leeway with this one and can allow players to look up Oracle text with their own devices while a judge is watching, though we'll often use our own devices to pull it up for them.
ok so officialy its banned but with judge's permission you may gain access. sounds good, thank you, and +1.
edit: dammit i already plused. owe ya one.
re-edit: found two interesting articles about it from may not sure if theres been any changes since then.
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2014/04/28/journey-into-nyx-policy-changes-for-players/
http://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2014/05/electronic-device-policy-update-for-competitive-rel-put-it-away/
the first one is a bit confusing cause it seems to go back and forth but the 2nd one is clearer. "At Regular REL, you are allowed to use electronics, in plain view of the opponents. Using a phone to keep life or take notes is acceptable."
"At Competitive and Professional REL, there are different rules. All electronic devices (the kind that access information) are now banned to be used during a match. The only exception is to receive a quick, personal phone call with opponent's permission."
Quote from: Remillo on July 31, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
Well, technically, rule 100.6b doesn't allow you to do it during matches. And even if it did, rule 101.2 overrules it using the restriction on electronic devices at Competitive REL (if we actually want a rule number for that):
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't
happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
As for electronic devices:
At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level, players may not use electronic devices once they have sat for their match or during deck construction, with the exception of taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission.
However, we get a little leeway with this one and can allow players to look up Oracle text with their own devices while a judge is watching, though we'll often use our own devices to pull it up for them.
Quick question about that.
I'm a 13 year old with diabetes. Every once in awhile I need to contact my parents. This normally happens at times mid match. Can I do this even if my opponent says no for some douchebaggy reason?
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 31, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
Well, technically, rule 100.6b doesn't allow you to do it during matches. And even if it did, rule 101.2 overrules it using the restriction on electronic devices at Competitive REL (if we actually want a rule number for that):
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't
happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
As for electronic devices:
At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level, players may not use electronic devices once they have sat for their match or during deck construction, with the exception of taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission.
However, we get a little leeway with this one and can allow players to look up Oracle text with their own devices while a judge is watching, though we'll often use our own devices to pull it up for them.
Quick question about that.
I'm a 13 year old with diabetes. Every once in awhile I need to contact my parents. This normally happens at times mid match. Can I do this even if my opponent says no for some douchebaggy reason?
read the articles in my re-edit for a detailed answer.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 08:21:40 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2014, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 31, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
Well, technically, rule 100.6b doesn't allow you to do it during matches. And even if it did, rule 101.2 overrules it using the restriction on electronic devices at Competitive REL (if we actually want a rule number for that):
101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't
happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
As for electronic devices:
At Competitive and Professional Rules Enforcement Level, players may not use electronic devices once they have sat for their match or during deck construction, with the exception of taking brief personal calls with the opponent's permission.
However, we get a little leeway with this one and can allow players to look up Oracle text with their own devices while a judge is watching, though we'll often use our own devices to pull it up for them.
Quick question about that.
I'm a 13 year old with diabetes. Every once in awhile I need to contact my parents. This normally happens at times mid match. Can I do this even if my opponent says no for some douchebaggy reason?
Rule something "with the exception of a brief personal phonecall"
That would be fine.
Without permission of opponent though, does medical triumph here?
At that point, you'd call a judge and they'd probably say go ahead and take the call if there's a valid, medical reason for it. We are human and can understand.
Cool.
Even better would be to talk with the judge beforehand and let him know you may need to take a phonecall and why.