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Title: Crazy O RING question
Post by: Grimmykinns on July 30, 2014, 02:13:35 AM
Let's say that I have four oblivion rings out that have exiled four of my own  {Evangel of Heliod} s. And I happen to have a {Gideon champ of justice} with 15 plus loyalty. And then I ult. What happens?
Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: Jteru on July 30, 2014, 02:17:39 AM
Pretty sure since ur evangels arent even on the battlefield once oblivion ring is removed u get ur evengels bck. Ive only been playing two yrs tho so take this with a grain of salt or watever
Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: MuggyWuggy on July 30, 2014, 02:20:14 AM
Quote from: Jteru on July 30, 2014, 02:17:39 AM
Pretty sure since ur evangels arent even on the battlefield once oblivion ring is removed u get ur evengels bck. Ive only been playing two yrs tho so take this with a grain of salt or watever

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Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: Jteru on July 30, 2014, 02:40:35 AM
Its cool. I honestly didnt know. Abd i was actuly pretty certain just not one hundred percent. I wont do it agn sorry
Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: Remillo on July 30, 2014, 03:29:38 PM
Actually, muggy, you have it wrong.  Your scenario would be true if it were {Banishing Light}, since the exiled card comes back the moment BL leaves the battlefield.  However, since Oblivion Ring's return ability is a trigger, those have to go on the stack to resolve.

Your stack will look like this:

Oblivion Ring 1 Return Trigger
Oblivion Ring 2 Return Trigger
Oblivion Ring 3 Return Trigger
Oblivion Ring 4 Return Trigger

Trigger 1 resolves, returning an Evangel, whose own triggered ability then goes on the stack.  That ability resolves, seeing 2 White Devotion from the Evangel (+ maybe 2 from Gideon, if he's still there), giving you 2 (or 4) Tokens.  Then the second return trigger resolves and the second Evangel's ability triggers, giving you the correct number of tokens.  This happens for the other two, resulting in...  20 tokens, if Gideon killed himself, 28, if he didn't.
Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: sithantic on July 31, 2014, 04:23:17 AM
The Angel's will see each other as far as the triggers go. So, if Gideon is still alive, you'll get 10 tokens per angel. 8 if he's dead. They all enter the battle field at the same time. So, even though the triggers are on the stack, each trigger will count all the devotion on the field.
Title: Re: Crazy O RING question
Post by: Sardok on July 31, 2014, 05:24:55 AM
Quote from: sithantic on July 31, 2014, 04:23:17 AM
The Angel's will see each other as far as the triggers go. So, if Gideon is still alive, you'll get 10 tokens per angel. 8 if he's dead. They all enter the battle field at the same time. So, even though the triggers are on the stack, each trigger will count all the devotion on the field.

Actually, Remillo is correct. Each angel trigger will occur before the next O-ring triggers.

So you would get 4, then 6, then 8, then 10.