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Oloro Pillow Fort - Trimming The Fat 100 cards, 0 sideboard 1 {Oloro, Ageless Ascetic} 1 {Temple of Deceit} 1 {Vivid Meadow} 11 {Plains} 1 {Temple of Enlightenment} 1 {The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale} 1 {Temple of Silence} 1 {Caves of Koilos} 1 {Dromar's Cavern} 1 {Adarkar Wastes} 1 {Vivid Creek} 1 {Command Tower} 5 {Island} 1 {Underground River} 1 {Arcane Sanctum} 1 {Drowned Catacomb} 8 {Swamp} 1 {Glacial Fortress} 38 lands 1 {Mesa Enchantress} 1 {Vizkopa Guildmage} 1 {Grand Arbiter Augustin IV} 1 {Spelltithe Enforcer} 1 {Obzedat, Ghost Council} 5 creatures 1 {Cloud Key} 1 {Aura of Silence} 1 {Torpor Orb} 1 {In the Eye of Chaos} 1 {Path to Exile} 1 {Sphere of Resistance} 1 {Exquisite Blood} 1 {Copy Enchantment} 1 {Land Equilibrium} 1 {Karmic Justice} 1 {Spreading Plague} 1 {Spin into Myth} 1 {Armageddon} 1 {Cursed Totem} 1 {Norn's Annex} 1 {Propaganda} 1 {Austere Command} 1 {Vindicate} 1 {Leyline of Sanctity} 1 {Mystic Remora} 1 {Phyrexian Arena} 1 {Enlightened Tutor} 1 {Demonic Tutor} 1 {Terminus} 1 {Liliana Vess} 1 {Ensnaring Bridge} 1 {Sphere of Safety} 1 {Blind Obedience} 1 {Ghostly Prison} 1 {Painful Quandary} 1 {Defense Grid} 1 {Meekstone} 1 {Sanguine Bond} 1 {Nether Void} 1 {Collective Restraint} 1 {Return to Dust} 1 {Dream Tides} 1 {Stony Silence} 1 {War Tax} 1 {Equipoise} 1 {Polluted Bonds} 1 {Replenish} 1 {Humility} 1 {No Mercy} 1 {Rhystic Study} 1 {The Abyss} 1 {Overburden} 1 {Rest in Peace} 1 {Wound Reflection} 1 {Moat} 1 {Test of Endurance} 1 {Wrath of God} 1 {Sol Ring} 1 {Crawlspace} 1 {Well of Lost Dreams} 1 {Night of Souls' Betrayal} 56 other spells Sideboard Notes: I borrowed this build from mtdewaddict. All credit goes to him for this current shell.

Need to cut a few cards. I'm going to add lands after I trim the deck to 60

No advice? No criticisms? This is the internet! I DEMAND CRITICISM!!!!

I was killed by a {Duskmantle seer} in a deck that looked like this one.

Quote from: Munchlax on July 30, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
I was killed by a {Duskmantle seer} in a deck that looked like this one.

That's a killer card ;) Adding it!

I love {Bloodchief Ascension} but not in this build. Pillow fort isn't made to attack is it?
{Everflowing Chalice} is meh. I've never used it so I don't know.
{Liliana of the Dark Realms} doesn't quite fit for me.
{Etherwrought Page} seems to not fit too much. What does it end up as, a second Oloro?
{Soul Tithe} is underwhelming.
{Ensnaring Bridge} and {Venser's Journal} are of the opposite nature. Pick one. It seems that {Mesa Enchantress} is your only draw engine. I would say drop the journal.

Quote from: The1337Magician on July 30, 2014, 11:05:26 PM

I love {Bloodchief Ascension} but not in this build. Pillow fort isn't made to attack is it?
{Everflowing Chalice} is meh. I've never used it so I don't know.
{Liliana of the Dark Realms} doesn't quite fit for me.
{Etherwrought Page} seems to not fit too much. What does it end up as, a second Oloro?
{Soul Tithe} is underwhelming.
{Ensnaring Bridge} and {Venser's Journal} are of the opposite nature. Pick one. It seems that {Mesa Enchantress} is your only draw engine. I would say drop the journal.

I'm starting to really like you. You're always EXTREMELY helpful in the commander section. Thank you very much amigo.

Thanks ☺️

{collective restraint}?
If you're not running "counter magic", than {defense grid}?
{land tax} can really help thin your deck, so you don't run into massive amounts of land.
{feroz's ban} -evil.
{desolation}
{orb of dreams}? +{amulet of vigor}?
{storm cauldron}? - I feel bad for suggesting this...

And if money is no object {Nether Void} is a thing

{Notion Theif} and {Tefiri's Puzzlebox}

{In the Eye of Chaos} is my Oloro stax deck, I don't run many instants, mostly Enchantments

Added a few more cards, but need to cut 9. Help?

{Chalice of life}

And hissing miasma

Greater auramancy

{martial coup}? I feel like you don't really need the soldiers, so it's really just a board wipe for 7...

I think {Furoz's Ban} is kinda slow, and not terribly good (I also own a {Nether Void}...so) and probably {Blind Obedience}. I know you probably want to work the Extort angle, but I feel like you're doing better things then just slowing down opponents artifacts or creatures.

{No Mercy} is really good too.

Quote from: Dudecore on August 01, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
I think {Furoz's Ban} is kinda slow, and not terribly good (I also own a {Nether Void}...so) and probably {Blind Obedience}. I know you probably want to work the Extort angle, but I feel like you're doing better things then just slowing down opponents artifacts or creatures.

{No Mercy} is really good too.

{No Mercy} + {First Response}. Come at me bro.

{No Mercy} is the black {Moat}. Hell of a lot cheaper, gets around things like shroud/hexproof (doesn't target). Basically makes your opponent wait until they can one-shot you.

Quote from: Dudecore on August 01, 2014, 09:12:05 PM
{No Mercy} is the black {Moat}. Hell of a lot cheaper, gets around things like shroud/hexproof (doesn't target). Basically makes your opponent wait until they can one-shot you.

Which they'll never be able to do with {ensnaring bridge} >:D

So 3 more cards to cut!

{Greater Auramancy} is interesting, but doesn't {Aura Shards} just blow it up and then everything else? How has it been? It has piqued my interest.

I have yet to play test. At worst it's going to save an enchantment and hopefully I'll have a torpor orb for that.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 02, 2014, 10:23:43 PM
I have yet to play test. At worst it's going to save an enchantment and hopefully I'll have a torpor orb for that.

Understandable. I'm leaning towards that, but feel like I would have to cut something that is a lot better then saving an enchantment. I'm going to test it Wednesday.

I run {Karmic Justice}, {Return to Dust} and {Vindicate} (amongst other things) to deal with {Aura Shards} directly, and you're in a position to shed some cards.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on July 30, 2014, 12:47:01 AM
Need to cut a few cards. I'm going to add lands after I trim the deck to 60

A 60 card EDH deck? :P  Anyway, the deck looks great.  How much does it cost?

Quote from: Gleemax on August 04, 2014, 09:53:38 PM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on July 30, 2014, 12:47:01 AM
Need to cut a few cards. I'm going to add lands after I trim the deck to 60

A 60 card EDH deck? :P  Anyway, the deck looks great.  How much does it cost?

60 non land cards :P If I cut/proxy the $50+ cards, it's 300 dollars. If not it's $900.

Could I convince you to drop {Ensnaring Bridge} so you don't have to buy/proxy it? You don't want to top deck, you ideally want to draw cards. Bridge becomes less useful if things are going right.

And more than useful if things are going wrong. I don't like being attacked. It would be very hard to drop ensnaring bridge.

{test of endurance} is fun

Quote from: Hexproof_is_the_best on August 06, 2014, 10:49:58 AM
{test of endurance} is fun

That's why it's in te list ;)

GORZO!!! I CHOOSE YOU!!!

I need some more advice in things to cut.

Oh my. Alright, lets have a look! I'll edit with some opinions :)

You can probably cut a land. I've never had an issue running 38.

Does {Rest in Peace} do anything for you? You can probably cut it, unless it has a use I'm not seeing.

I see {Land Tax} and multiple spells like {Equipoise} that require your opponents to have more lands than you to work...seems like once land tax happens, the others are gonna stop working, no?

I see Web of Inertia and black Leyline now. Yeah, those and Rest in peace are a thing. It's also 3 cards to devote to one thing... A good thing, sure, but you're at that point where you need to decide if it's worth it because those final cuts are so, so hard.

And I'm about to make them harder - where's  {Windborn Muse}? :P

{rest in peace} + {web of inertia} ;) That and graveyard hate is always a good thing.

You're definitely at the point that I find the hardest - those last cuts are so hard, and you don't want to lose any of those cards! I still can't decide the last ones to cut from my Sydri deck lol

Quote from: Gorzo on August 13, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
Oh my. Alright, lets have a look! I'll edit with some opinions :)

You can probably cut a land. I've never had an issue running 38.

Does {Rest in Peace} do anything for you? You can probably cut it, unless it has a use I'm not seeing.

I see {Land Tax} and multiple spells like {Equipoise} that require your opponents to have more lands than you to work...seems like once land tax happens, the others are gonna stop working, no?

I see Web of Inertia and black Leyline now. Yeah, those and Rest in peace are a thing. It's also 3 cards to devote to one thing... A good thing, sure, but you're at that point where you need to decide if it's worth it because those final cuts are so, so hard.

And I'm about to make them harder - where's  {Windborn Muse}? :P

Okokok I'll cut the leyline of the void and web, but SOME graveyard hate has to stay, so I'm going to have to keep rest in peace. I'm also gonna cut land tax, which will save me a few bucks, so thanks :)) And curse you for finding {windborn muse}!!!

So now that have cut the deck down to 100, what do you guys/gals think if it? Is it proper Pillowfort? Does it seem like it will hold up in a group?

I've never actually done a pillow fort deck, but it looks like it should work pretty well! You'll have to to test by playing it. A lot of times I'll only find a card to be unhelpful when I get to actually playing the deck, and notice a certain card sitting in my hand multiple times without ever being a good option to cast.

What about {Ghostly Prison} and {Propoganda}

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on August 13, 2014, 07:44:27 AM
What about {Ghostly Prison} and {Propoganda}

They in there amigo :)

Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 13, 2014, 12:01:40 PM

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on August 13, 2014, 07:44:27 AM
What about {Ghostly Prison} and {Propoganda}

They in there amigo :)

Lol totally missed them.

Edit: {Necropotence} and {Felidar Sovereign}?

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on August 13, 2014, 01:08:41 PM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 13, 2014, 12:01:40 PM

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on August 13, 2014, 07:44:27 AM
What about {Ghostly Prison} and {Propoganda}

They in there amigo :)

Lol totally missed them.

Edit: {Necropotence} and {Felidar Sovereign}?

I like necropotence. This is more of a slowly bleeding you opponents deck, so I'm going to pass on the sovereign. Plus, I don't think it will last on the board very long.

{Mystic Remora}? Probably better then {Rhystic Study} and is good at various points in the game. {4} is a huge tax, even later in the game. I usually draw 6-7 cards with it, comared to maybe 2-3 with Rhystic.

you should add {Heliod, God of the Sun}  {Intruder Alarm} and {Frozen Æther}

{Blazing Archon}

Quote from: AdamS on August 18, 2014, 01:34:23 PM
you should add {Heliod, God of the Sun}  {Intruder Alarm} and {Frozen Æther}

That combo doesn't work if they cast a creature spell. They will all untap and I don't run enough creatures to even justify cutting 3 cards if I wanted the combo.

Quote from: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 02:30:53 PM
{Blazing Archon}

Dies way too easily. No room.

Ok. You're going to say it does too easily but {Silent Arbiter} is really cool in a deck like this

Quote from: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
Ok. You're going to say it does too easily but {Silent Arbiter} is really cool in a deck like this

I've actually been considering it. It's cheap enough that if it dies it won't hurt that bad and it's annoying to play against. What would you cut for it?

Potentially {Baneful Omen} or {Desolation}
Desolation hurts you as well and the omen seems kinda bad.

Update! Took a few things from your list Dudecore.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 21, 2014, 01:31:02 PM
Update! Took a few things from your list Dudecore.

Which? {Overburden}? I like that it's non-token, because it let's {Elspeth, Knight-Errant}, {Sorin, Lord of Innistrad} do work. I've been testing {Tainted Æther} lately too. I like it.