5 upcoming monocolor Commander decks out November 7!
http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/145-commander-2014
● Monocolor decks
● Commanders are cycle of monocolored planeswalkers (special ones allowed to be Commanders)
● Cycle of monocolored legendary creatures that are characters from Magic's past that never got a card.
● 100 Card decks geared toward multiplayer.
● There will be 61 new cards.
● 15 new cards in each deck.
{W} Forged in Stone: Nahiri, the Lithomancer (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/nahirithelithomancer.jpg)
{U} Peer Through Time: Teferi, Temporal Archmage (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtfiP4OCQAEVIBj.jpg)
{B} Sworn to Darkness: Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/obnixilisoftheblackoath.jpg)
{R} Built from Scratch: Daretti, Scrap Savant (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/darettiscrapsavant.jpg)
{G} Guided by Nature: Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/freyalisellanowarsfury.jpg)
New cards:
{W} Jazal Goldmane (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/jazalgoldmane.jpg) (Legendary)
○ Angelic Field Marshall (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/angelicfieldmarshal.jpg) (Lieutenant)
○ Benevolent Offering (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/benevolentoffering.jpg)
○ Angel of the Dire Hour (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/angelofthedirehour.jpg)
{U} Stitcher Geralf (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/stitchergeralf2.jpg) (Legendary)
○ Reef Worm (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/reefworm.jpg)
{B} Ghoulcaller Gisa (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btfibm9CAAAn5U3.jpg) (Legendary)
○Demon of Wailing Agonies (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/demonofwailingagonies.jpg) (Lieutenant)
○Infernal Offering (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/infernaloffering.jpg)
{R} Feldon of the Third Path (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/feldonofthethirdpath.jpg) (Legendary)
○ Tyrant's Familiar (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/tyrantsfamiliar.jpg) (Lieutenant)
○ Dualcaster Mage (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/dualcastermage.jpg)
{G} Titania, Protector of Argoth (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/titaniaprotectorofargoth.jpg) (Legendary)
○ Gravesifter (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/gravesifter.jpg)
{X}
Arcane Lighthouse (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/arcanelighthouse.jpg)
Commander's Sphere (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/commanderssphere.jpg)
Myriad Landscape (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/myriadlandscape.jpg)
Unstable Obelisk (http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/unstableobelisk.jpg)
Quote from: Taysby on July 26, 2014, 05:17:40 PM
{B} Ghoulcaller Gisa (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btfibm9CAAAn5U3.jpg) (Legendary)
Unlimited number of dudes. Ok.
Sac a 2/2 Zombie get 2 in its place. I like...
Also my friends and I so came up with Planesmando before Wizards!
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 27, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
Gisa is actually kinda the zombie EDH commander that we always needed...
agreed. tribal zombies definitely got a huge boost. they also wanna run things like {umbral mantle} to untap her to keep making zombies. kinda wanna build a fake one online just for fun.
Oh! Do you think Ob Nixilis could be the Black one?
Quote from: particle on July 27, 2014, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 27, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
Gisa is actually kinda the zombie EDH commander that we always needed...
agreed. tribal zombies definitely got a huge boost. they also wanna run things like {umbral mantle} to untap her to keep making zombies. kinda wanna build a fake one online just for fun.
She works good with {Gravespawn Sovereign}
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 27, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
Gisa is actually kinda the zombie EDH commander that we always needed...
She is also the "Cycle of monocolored legendary creatures that are characters from Magic's past that never got a card." She was referenced on plenty of cards in Innistrad (along with her brother Geralf) but never show.
I am excited about the possibilities. I wonder if blue will have Pemmin from {Pemmin's Aura} and {Stifle}
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on July 27, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
Gisa is actually kinda the zombie EDH commander that we always needed...
She was referenced on plenty of cards in Innistrad (along with her brother Geralf) but never show.
See I always thought she was {Wakedancer}. It's ability fits her new interpretation. But this is both semantics and off topic.
Carry on.
So who do you think the other four Legendaries will be? Also they seem to print three legendaries per Commander deck so what do you think the third "cycle" will be?
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 27, 2014, 11:03:07 AM
So who do you think the other four Legendaries will be? Also they seem to print three legendaries per Commander deck so what do you think the third "cycle" will be?
I'm going for Pemmin in blue. The 3rd legendary will probably be one that already exists: like the last commander product. But there are also Xantcha, Jodah, Gix, Belbe, Tawnos and Ashnod (among others) who are referenced but not given cards.
Leshrac might be the black planeswalker. I believe she's been featured in the comics before, she's a banshee so it could play into the Zombie/Undead theme.
Ob Nixis could be the white planeswalker. He was a good planeswalker before he lost his spark and became {Ob Nixis the fallen} correct?
I could be wrong about him ever being a good planeswalker but I do know he was a planeswalker that lost his spark.
Quote from: Noblellama on July 27, 2014, 02:11:47 PM
Leshrak is a he
Perfect. So they'll have some gender equality if my prediction is correct
Well assuming that Jaya Ballard is the {R} one (which is a good guess):
Both {Jaya Ballard, Task Mage} and {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir} were printed in Time Spiral are {Mangara of Corondor}, {Lim-Dûl the Necromancer}, and {Thelon of Havenwood} planeswalkers? Also just off of the top of my head is {Phage the Untouchable}?
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 27, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
Well assuming that Jaya Ballard is the {R} one (which is a good guess):
Both {Jaya Ballard, Task Mage} and {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir} were printed in Time Spiral are {Mangara of Corondor}, {Lim-Dûl the Necromancer}, and {Thelon of Havenwood} planeswalkers? Also just off of the top of my head is {Phage the Untouchable}?
I get confused, but I think {Jeska, Warrior Adept} is a planeswalker, but not while she was {Phage the Untouchable}. I might be wrong, but I think when {Karona, False God} split, Akroma and Zagorka died and Jeska got her spark.
Lim-Dûl worked for Leshrac, and was not a planeswalker to my knowledge.
If they don't use Pemmin (because he's not a real character) they can do Jodah. He was instrumental in early Magic, and is only enshrined on 1 card: {Jodah's Avenger}
Urza might be another choice for red or black
Quote from: Aladormax on July 27, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Urza might be another choice for red or black
No. Urza is all five colours and super powerful.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: Aladormax on July 27, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Urza might be another choice for red or black
No. Urza is all five colours and super powerful.
Urza seems black/red to me, as he was super obsessed with revenge
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: Aladormax on July 27, 2014, 03:47:40 PM
Urza might be another choice for red or black
No. Urza is all five colours and super powerful.
So they make a five colour Planeswalker? Maybe two of each colour?
If urza was a walker his abilities would be
+300 you win the game
0 each other player loses the game
-1 you win all games of magic the gathering in the past present and future.
Starting loyalty 1,000,000
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on July 27, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
If urza was a walker his abilities would be
+300 you win the game
0 each other player loses the game
-1 you win all games of magic the gathering in the past present and future.
Starting loyalty 1,000,000
Still dies to {Hero's Downfall}. Or counterspells. Or anything really.
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 27, 2014, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on July 27, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
If urza was a walker his abilities would be
+300 you win the game
0 each other player loses the game
-1 you win all games of magic the gathering in the past present and future.
Starting loyalty 1,000,000
Still dies to {Hero's Downfall}. Or counterspells. Or anything really.
Cant be countered, indestructible, un-exilable, if anyone even for a second thinks about Urza you win the game.
Pre-Mending Planeswalkers were like gods. Sorin created {Avacyn, Angel of Hope} and countless other things during this time. Wizards decided (and for good reasons) that all-powerful, immortal, omniscient god characters aren't all that interesting for story telling. So they had everyone's power diminished (Sorin) and older godlike people (Urza) removed.
That way when some force opposes them (Eldrazi/Phyrexians/Xenagos) it is more satisfying when they win. You know, a basic character arc. Characters like Urza are just too strong storywise that printing them would do them no justice unless they were crazy overpowered. Urza is cool to us because he was so powerful, I don't know if I'd even want a card with him on it
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 04:49:43 PM
Pre-Mending Planeswalkers were like gods. Sorin created {Avacyn, Angel of Hope} and countless other things during this time. Wizards decided (and for good reasons) that all-powerful, immortal, omniscient god characters aren't all that interesting for story telling. So they had everyone's power diminished (Sorin) and older godlike people (Urza) removed.
That way when some force opposes them (Eldrazi/Phyrexians/Xenagos) it is more satisfying when they win. You know, a basic character arc. Characters like Urza are just too strong storywise that printing them would do them no justice unless they were crazy overpowered. Urza is cool to us because he was so powerful, I don't know if I'd even want a card with him on it
{Sorin Markov} is a badass and he's in card, satisfyingly so in my book.
I always thought Jaya was Chandra before her spark.
Also not a serious thought but wouldn't it be cool if DRS {Deathrite Shahman} was a PW Commander
How about Ludevic, as in {Ludevic's Test Subject}? He's worth a print.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 04:49:43 PM
Pre-Mending Planeswalkers were like gods. Sorin created {Avacyn, Angel of Hope} and countless other things during this time. Wizards decided (and for good reasons) that all-powerful, immortal, omniscient god characters aren't all that interesting for story telling. So they had everyone's power diminished (Sorin) and older godlike people (Urza) removed.
That way when some force opposes them (Eldrazi/Phyrexians/Xenagos) it is more satisfying when they win. You know, a basic character arc. Characters like Urza are just too strong storywise that printing them would do them no justice unless they were crazy overpowered. Urza is cool to us because he was so powerful, I don't know if I'd even want a card with him on it
If they can make a Bolas PW why not anybody else. Bolas is suppose to be the all powerful walker.
Bolas lost 25,000 years of knowledge and significant amount of powers. {Nicol Bolas} is hardly a good representation of what a pre-Mending planeswalker would have been like.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
Bolas lost 25,000 years of knowledge and significant amount of powers. {Nicol Bolas} is hardly a good representation of what a pre-Mending planeswalker would have been like.
True true. The Teferi card isn't an all powerful walker so anything is possible. Also Jodah was never a walker.
I'd like to see Lord Windgrace or a {Skyship Weatherlight} PW card for shits a giggles
Jodah as part of the other Legendary creature from Magic's past that never got a card cycle. The alt commander to Teferi
What about Geralf?
I know we have {Geralf's messenger} and {Geralf's mindcrusher}
And the new black legend chick mentions him!?
I really want to know who or what he is!?
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 27, 2014, 09:59:40 PM
What about Geralf?
I know we have {Geralf's messenger} and {Geralf's mindcrusher}
And the new black legend chick mentions him!?
I really want to know who or what he is!?
Problem is he and Gisa basically do the same thing, story-wise. They both make Zambies.
As for Planeswalker commanders... Give me Freyalise in Green, Serra in White, Jaya or Slobad in Red and Sifa in Black and I'll buy all of them for Old-Walker Goodness.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 27, 2014, 09:59:40 PM
What about Geralf?
I know we have {Geralf's messenger} and {Geralf's mindcrusher}
And the new black legend chick mentions him!?
I really want to know who or what he is!?
They might be saving that bullet. Or Geralf could be blue...I wouldn't enjoy seeing that thought. 2 characters that were supposed to be in Innistrad making it into the new Commander decks? We've got plenty of old characters who never got cards. Gisa and Geralf are sister and brother.
While it is a baseless speculation I think the deck themes may have more to do with the card's in them. So it's unlikely 2 zombie decks are going to be available at the same time, so I can't envision Geralf being in the blue deck with Teferi being the cover boy. It's likely someone more time oriented, or at least magical.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 04:49:43 PM
Pre-Mending Planeswalkers were like gods. Sorin created {Avacyn, Angel of Hope} and countless other things during this time. Wizards decided (and for good reasons) that all-powerful, immortal, omniscient god characters aren't all that interesting for story telling. So they had everyone's power diminished (Sorin) and older godlike people (Urza) removed.
That way when some force opposes them (Eldrazi/Phyrexians/Xenagos) it is more satisfying when they win. You know, a basic character arc. Characters like Urza are just too strong storywise that printing them would do them no justice unless they were crazy overpowered. Urza is cool to us because he was so powerful, I don't know if I'd even want a card with him on it
And, now that I'm actually reading through the thread...
The Mending wasn't done for Story-telling purposes. It was done to reduce the perceived power of Planeswalkers as characters so that they could be printed on cards. They basically reduced them to being what the 'Planeswalkers' in the Greensleeves cycle were - Powerful mages that also have the ability to walk across the Blind Eternities.
As for the second part... Remember that Urza struggled for several thousands of years and had to amass a full roster of Planeswalkers to finally take down Phyrexia. Teferi had to give up his Spark to be able to fully heal Dominaria. They weren't All-Powerful, but they had incredible abilities.
Now back to the main topic... The more I think about it, the more I want Slobad to be the Red planeswalker. Jaya is just too similar to Chandra.
Slobad never became a PW. He gave up his spark to save Glissa.
I'm searched hard for Mark Rosewater's comments about why the mending was done. They wanted to make new central characters that people could relate to, like the Lorwyn 5 (Ajani, Jace, Liliana, Chandra, and Garruk) because they're humanoids, fallible and not immortal. It's worked so far as they've killed off Venser and Elspeth Tiel. What were talking about is basically the same thing. Lowering the overall power level of a planeswalker is more of a story telling element.
Chandra is based on {Jaya Ballard, Task Mage}. It's unfortunate Jaya died like 600 years ago in the story, or else she'd most likely be our red walker today.
Teferi gave up his spark to seal one rift. The biggest and worst rift, which was the final rift, was sealed by Jeska
Right, Jeska was also a Planeswalker. She'd be a good candidate for our Red one, actually.
For blue does anyone think the reprint legend will be {Arcanis the Omnipotent}?
Quote from: Munchlax on July 27, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
For blue does anyone think the reprint legend will be {Arcanis the Omnipotent}?
It is already in DD Speed v Cunning, so I doubt it. I am really hoping for {Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir}, but I doubt that also...
Quote from: Munchlax on July 27, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
For blue does anyone think the reprint legend will be {Arcanis the Omnipotent}?
He's headlining the Duel Deck Speed vs. Cunning. Hopefully it's {Kira, the Great Glass Spinner} or something cool like that.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on July 27, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
For blue does anyone think the reprint legend will be {Arcanis the Omnipotent}?
He's headlining the Duel Deck Speed vs. Cunning. Hopefully it's {Kira, the Great Glass Spinner} or something cool like that.
That's exactly why I thought he'd be the legend
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on July 27, 2014, 11:21:27 PM
For blue does anyone think the reprint legend will be {Arcanis the Omnipotent}?
He's headlining the Duel Deck Speed vs. Cunning. Hopefully it's {Kira, the Great Glass Spinner} or something cool like that.
Kira would be sweet too.
A new {Barrin, Master Wizard} just to keep up with the lore.
Quote from: Rasser on July 27, 2014, 11:32:17 PM
A new {Barrin, Master Wizard} just to keep up with the lore.
Ooo, and that could put him in a modern frame. BTW, I'm calling a reprint of {Arcane Laboratory} now.
Freyalise elf edh deck and a reprint of {Eladamri, Lord of Leaves}
Even though he wasn't a walker, {Multani, Maro-Sorcerer}.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 28, 2014, 12:15:17 AM
Even though he wasn't a walker, {Multani, Maro-Sorcerer}.
Mighty fine commander right there.
Anyways, since its commander it shouldn't really affect the story line. If they wanted they could probably bring back dead walkers, etc. Personally I'd like to see a red commander like {Boldwyr Intimidator}
It's been confirmed that Planeswalker Commanders are a Cycle on Arcana:
QuoteAlso for the first time ever, Planeswalker commanders will headline five monocolored 100-card Commander decks. There will be 61 new cards legal in eternal formats (Vintage and Legacy) but not legal in Standard, Block Constructed, or Modern, with 15 new cards in each deck.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-magic-gathering-commander (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-magic-gathering-commander)
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on July 27, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
If urza was a walker his abilities would be
+300 you win the game
0 each other player loses the game
-1 you win all games of magic the gathering in the past present and future.
Starting loyalty 1,000,000
I was thinking more like this
+1 target player sacrifices a creature, your brother dies
- 2 sacrifice any number of friends, target player loses 3 life for each friend sacrificed this way
-6 sacrifice yourself, your opponent loses the game and may never play Magic: the Gathering again
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 28, 2014, 04:35:59 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on July 27, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
If urza was a walker his abilities would be
+300 you win the game
0 each other player loses the game
-1 you win all games of magic the gathering in the past present and future.
Starting loyalty 1,000,000
I was thinking more like this
+1 target player sacrifices a creature, your brother dies
- 2 sacrifice any number of friends, target player loses 3 life for each friend sacrificed this way
-6 sacrifice yourself, your opponent loses the game and may never play Magic: the Gathering again
10/10 would cast again.
New Card:
Stitcher Geralf {3}{U}{U}
Legendary Creature -- Human Wizard
{2}{U}, {T}: Each player puts the top three cards of his or her library into his of her graveyard. Exile up to two creature cards put into the graveyard this way. Put an X/X blue Zombie creature token onto the battlefield, where X is the total power of the cards exiled this way.
http://mythicspoiler.com/newspoilers.html
Cool. Blue EDH deck has a loose mill theme to it. Im not sure it's a second zombie themed deck though, as discussed previously, I reckon it's just Geralf flavour.
Updated the top post with Stitcher Geralf.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2014, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 27, 2014, 09:59:40 PM
What about Geralf?
I know we have {Geralf's messenger} and {Geralf's mindcrusher}
And the new black legend chick mentions him!?
I really want to know who or what he is!?
They might be saving that bullet. Or Geralf could be blue...I wouldn't enjoy seeing that thought. 2 characters that were supposed to be in Innistrad making it into the new Commander decks? We've got plenty of old characters who never got cards. Gisa and Geralf are sister and brother.
While it is a baseless speculation I think the deck themes may have more to do with the card's in them. So it's unlikely 2 zombie decks are going to be available at the same time, so I can't envision Geralf being in the blue deck with Teferi being the cover boy. It's likely someone more time oriented, or at least magical.
Spot on...
{Johnny combo player}
Quote from: Remillo on July 28, 2014, 11:36:52 AM
It's been confirmed that Planeswalker Commanders are a Cycle on Arcana:
QuoteAlso for the first time ever, Planeswalker commanders will headline five monocolored 100-card Commander decks. There will be 61 new cards legal in eternal formats (Vintage and Legacy) but not legal in Standard, Block Constructed, or Modern, with 15 new cards in each deck.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-magic-gathering-commander (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-magic-gathering-commander)
. True, but every other commander set had 3 commanders. Should we assume the same for this set? What are the other possible commanders for each set?
Mythicspoiler Link http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 03, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
I want Bo Levar to be included somewhere... {Gainsay} for reference. He is a PW and how awesome would it be to say "I'll be attacking Bo' Daddy for 3" I will even accept Bo' Jangles as a name
Edit. I am so sorry for bumping this.. I didn't mean to get everybody excited...
He's dead, not that it matters
I want to say that spoilers begin next monday. Be on the lookout
Quote from: Noblellama on October 03, 2014, 01:46:41 PM
He expended his power as a walker to protect a colony or merfolk artists didn't he?
From the wiki
"Levar used his very essence to cast a spell shielding a small colony of merfolk called the Eliterates from Yawgmoth's death cloud. He gave his life in appreciation of beauty, and his final thoughts were that it was a worthy death."
Eliterates lol
Quote from: Dudecore on October 15, 2014, 07:14:54 AM
I want to say that spoilers begin next monday. Be on the lookout
My body is definitely ready
Quote from: Dudecore on October 15, 2014, 07:14:54 AM
I want to say that spoilers begin next monday. Be on the lookout
Pumped! Love EDH
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
what color?!?
Quote from: particle on October 20, 2014, 02:44:32 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
what color?!?
I haven't been told any details about the card, other than we're getting one. We get to see it, but of course, I'll be hunted down, killed and decommissioned if I leak anything. You guys'll just have to wait until next week to see it! (although, I may drop a few hints about it)
Sweet!!
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 02:58:28 AM
Quote from: particle on October 20, 2014, 02:44:32 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
what color?!?
I haven't been told any details about the card, other than we're getting one. We get to see it, but of course, I'll be hunted down, killed and decommissioned if I leak anything. You guys'll just have to wait until next week to see it! (although, I may drop a few hints about it)
What is the cast called?
So... Your commander can be a pw. But does that mean you won't be able to deal commander dmg? Or do the rules change for these pw commanders? Like having (for example {Chandra Ablaze}. Would her dmg count as commander dmg?
Quote from: Kaylesh on October 22, 2014, 12:56:15 PM
So... Your commander can be a pw. But does that mean you won't be able to deal commander dmg? Or do the rules change for these pw commanders? Like having (for example {Chandra Ablaze}. Would her dmg count as commander dmg?
No a Planeswalker Commander wouldn't deal Commander damage.
Also, {Chandra Ablaze} doesn't have the extra text that allows it to be used as a Commander.
Chandra was meant as an example. I realize she won't be cmdr. But thanks for clearing that up.
Of course there could be a rules change, but I doubt it.
Doesn't Ugin look a lot like Bolas? Or is that just me? Obviously not saying they're the same just saying they look similar.
Also has Wizards said that the 5 dragons are NOT the 5 original EDH Legends?
Commander damage is combat damage only. Unless a Planeswalker can turn into a creature and deal combat damage, and also be a commander...then it's not possible.
I know they alluded to Ugin on the Fate Reforged splash screen, it could also be Bolas. We don't know enough about what's going on. I always thought Bolas had {Gem of Becoming} in his forehead...I don't know why Ugin would also.
Unless they are making a new Bolas walker than can be a commander
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 22, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
Unless they are making a new Bolas walker than can be a commander
Awesome!!! I love Bolas. The chronicles EDL version was my first card ever, that helps. And I like his scheming plays.
I feel like it will be all mono PWs seeing as we have never had a mono commander set
C'MON TARMOGOYF REPRINT
That would be possibly one of the greatest trolls by wizards ever
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
this past wednesday or next wednesday. im fiendin for spoilers!
Printing goyf in the green deck would be amazing, but kill the price of it completely. I say do it, but that's just me being unable to get ahold of one for modern.
Lili, clique, tarm and, avaycyn, goblin guide/burning wish reprints
Each version with a sword
Wouldn't that be nice
Quote from: particle on October 23, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
this past wednesday or next wednesday. im fiendin for spoilers!
Preview season starts next week. Our card is pretty cool, to say the least.
Quote from: Remillo on October 23, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: particle on October 23, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
this past wednesday or next wednesday. im fiendin for spoilers!
Preview season starts next week. Our card is pretty cool, to say the least.
you think it will change the commander meta?
Quote from: MuggyWuggy on October 23, 2014, 01:28:22 PM
Lili, clique, tarm and, avaycyn, goblin guide/burning wish reprints
Each version with a sword
Wouldn't that be nice
A man can dream right?
Quote from: particle on October 23, 2014, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: Remillo on October 23, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: particle on October 23, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 20, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I can confirm they'll start by or on next Wednesday, since that's when we publish our podcasts. And on Tuesday, we're recording with Sheldon Menery and WotC has decided to give our little CommanderCast outfit a preview card!
this past wednesday or next wednesday. im fiendin for spoilers!
Preview season starts next week. Our card is pretty cool, to say the least.
you think it will change the commander meta?
Nah, but it's pretty hilarious. Definitely has decks it will fit in to.
This isn't our spoiler for CommanderCast, but it's a spoiler, nonetheless!
Feldon of the Third Path (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ftg9v9k6xorps8q/Feldon%20of%20the%20Third%20Path.jpg)
Well, he's actually pretty cool and might even find a way in to Kurkesh. Cool synergy with the few creatures I have in the deck, Grinding Station/Codex Shredder and especially Goblin Welder. Make an Artifact Welder, then use it to sacrifice itself and return another artifact. Maybe it's too cute, but it might be worth trying.
Disucssion happening here:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/576785-feldon-of-the-third-path#c16 (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/576785-feldon-of-the-third-path#c16)
Also, this -
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IvcrqaOXH_Q/VEp6C69vHOI/AAAAAAAAGdY/l99QNJ5lhaE/w265-h370-no/angelic-field-marshall.jpg)
There was another spoiler involving a new "Lieutenant" mechanic:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IvcrqaOXH_Q/VEp6C69vHOI/AAAAAAAAGdY/l99QNJ5lhaE/w265-h370-no/angelic-field-marshall.jpg
Quote from: Remillo on October 24, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Also, this -
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IvcrqaOXH_Q/VEp6C69vHOI/AAAAAAAAGdY/l99QNJ5lhaE/w265-h370-no/angelic-field-marshall.jpg)
Four mana for a 5/5 flyer that gives all your creatures vigilance is solid. I mean it is situational but I do like it.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 24, 2014, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: Remillo on October 24, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Also, this -
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IvcrqaOXH_Q/VEp6C69vHOI/AAAAAAAAGdY/l99QNJ5lhaE/w265-h370-no/angelic-field-marshall.jpg)
Four mana for a 5/5 flyer that gives all your creatures vigilance is solid. I mean it is situational but I do like it.
I might consider it for Kaalia angels. It's not amazing, but the vigilance could be relevant.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 24, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
Quote from: Remillo on October 24, 2014, 01:34:02 PM
This isn't our spoiler for CommanderCast, but it's a spoiler, nonetheless!
Feldon of the Third Path (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ftg9v9k6xorps8q/Feldon%20of%20the%20Third%20Path.jpg)
Well, he's actually pretty cool and might even find a way in to Kurkesh. Cool synergy with the few creatures I have in the deck, Grinding Station/Codex Shredder and especially Goblin Welder. Make an Artifact Welder, then use it to sacrifice itself and return another artifact. Maybe it's too cute, but it might be worth trying.
Disucssion happening here:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/576785-feldon-of-the-third-path#c16 (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/576785-feldon-of-the-third-path#c16)
He is very Kiki-jiki like...
At least he costs mana to activate.
Still, in response to an Eldrazi shuffle trigger, making a hasty Eldrazi could be pretty backbreaking.
And holy hell, {Sundial of the Infinite}.
Yep it's broken As all hell
Updated the main post with new spoilers
Feldon's flavour text is so sad
Quote from: Munchlax on October 24, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
Feldon's flavour text is so sad
The picture does a good job of showing that too.
Wow that flavour!! Any ideas on who "she" is?
Makes the card feel black. Not red.
Hurkyll. I believe she is hurkyll. She was his mentor in magics. She ended up being captured by Ashnod and he never saw her again.
Will Hurkyl be recalled? Lol XD
You're right I mixed hurkyll and Loran up. Loran was kidnapped by Ashnod while trying to get the golgothian cylix.
Pic Looks like Feldon is building his automaton of Loran...
"Three are characters you'll recognize from Magic's past, one is a character you know but maybe not by name, and one is a brand-new character but from a plane you've seen before." (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/love-letter-vorthos-2014-10-24)
The Lithomancer confirmed?
I was pretty psyched about this expansion. Now I really gotta get my hands on at least the red one. I happen to have a Kurkesh.
Spoilers tomorrow! I'm pretty psyched about blue deck and anxious to see if I will get any new toys for my Sliver deck, but I have to say that I am already happy with the set because we are of Teferi.
Watch MaRos article, he said he is spoiling a Command-walker.
Up on salvation
Jazal Goldmane
{2} {W} {W}
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior
First Strike
{3}{W}{W}: Attacking creatures you control get +X/+X until end of the turn, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
"As my king he is the source of my courage; as my brother he is the one who embodies my aspirations." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Quote from: MarduArrow on October 27, 2014, 03:00:07 AM
Up on salvation
Jazal Goldmane
{2} {W} {W}
Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior
First Strike
{3}{W}{W}: Attacking creatures you control get +X/+X until end of the turn, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
"As my king he is the source of my courage; as my brother he is the one who embodies my aspirations." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Wow, I'm sooooooo in love with this guy! I love Ajani and everything about his origins/story. To get his (dead) brother, I didn't see that coming and am SOOO stoked! MOOOAAAR EDH AGGRO KITTIES!!!
http://mythicspoiler.com/c14/
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/145-commander-2014
Attached to OP too for ease of access.
{ob nixilis of the black oath} black planeswalker can be commander spoiled on mtg facebook.
relevant info: cmc 5 3BB
+2: each opponent loses 1 life. you gain the total life lost.
-2: put a black 5/5 flying demon into play. you lose 2 life.
-8: you get an emblem with "1B, sacrifice a creature: you draw x cards and gain x life where x is the sacrificed creatures power.
starting loyalty: 3
edited for ultimate loyalty and demon p/t.
Holy crud!!! Need him! He almost designed specifically for me and my fav strategy/commander deck! I'm going to have to buy all C14 boxes aren't i.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 27, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
What is each box going to run?
$34.99
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-magic-gathering-commander
Calling White command-walker as Nahiri, the Lithomancer.
Freyalise is the Green one: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mm/commander-chief-2014-10-27
I'm looking forwards to seeing the full set. I'm not as impressed as I could be yet so I want impressive things to happen with previews.
{Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath} looks pretty sweet. Also {Reef Worm} has some potential.
{Dualcaster Mage} is borderline broken. People (especially on MTGSalvation) are already saying that it might see play in Legacy.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
{Dualcaster Mage} is borderline broken. People (especially on MTGSalvation) are already saying that it might see play in Legacy.
I can see that happen. It's a good card.
{reef worm} is so funny. cool boardwipe bro.
Updated main page with new Spoilers.
I really really really hope Yawgmoth is in here somewhere
They gave us this hint:
"Three are characters you'll recognize from Magic's past, one is a character you know but maybe not by name, and one is a brand-new character but from a plane you've seen before."
The first three are now known: Teferi, Freyalise and Ob NIxilis.
The second is probably Nahiri, the Lithomancer that worked with Sorin and Ugin to seal the Eldrazi on Zendikar. She'd be White.
The last one... who knows? Definitely Red.
Anyways, I'm loving these cards. Next weekend can't come soon enough!
Red might be Jeska...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 27, 2014, 02:48:12 PM
Red might be Jeska...
She'd be under "Characters we know from Magic's Past". Without those hints, I'd still be lobbying for Serra and Jeska as W and R.
What do you guys expect as far as reprints from the set? Keep in mind it is mono-colored and with an MSRP of $34.99. Ideas: {Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx}, Theros gods, {Damnation}, {Cyclonic Rift} and {Wrath of God} (for the 80th time...)
I have to believe that Damnation is returning why else would it be missing from FTV Annihilation???
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 27, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
I have to believe that Damnation is returning why else would it be missing from FTV Annihilation???
Could be in Fate Reforged as a money card to sell the set, something to sweeten the pie after the disaster of Born of the Gods... That being said, I agree it will likely be in the commander deck; lets just hope to avoid another {True Name-Disaster}
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 27, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
I have to believe that Damnation is returning why else would it be missing from FTV Annihilation???
Could be in Fate Reforged as a money card to sell the set, something to sweeten the pie after the disaster of Born of the Gods... That being said, I agree it will likely be in the commander deck; lets just hope to avoid another {True Name-Disaster}
true how did they not realize that TNN was broken as .poo. in Eternal formats ...
{True-Name Nemesis} is not broken in the format he was designed for. Also, much like {Treasure Cruise} he was all over the place when it came out. I'd rather a card like TNN exist in Commander, because it's not broken there.
Quote from: Dudecore on October 27, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
{True-Name Nemesis} is not broken in the format he was designed for. Also, much like {Treasure Cruise} he was all over the place when it came out. I'd rather a card like TNN exist in Commander, because it's not broken there.
When I said, {True-Name Disaster}, I meant with the prices.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 27, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
{True-Name Nemesis} is not broken in the format he was designed for. Also, much like {Treasure Cruise} he was all over the place when it came out. I'd rather a card like TNN exist in Commander, because it's not broken there.
When I said, {True-Name Disaster}, I meant with the prices.
Oh right. Well they did eventually fix that, which is a good thing. Including 2 sets per box. It did lose its appeal and has lost much value since. I think they're in a better position this time to learn from mistakes.
Wizards has stumbled with every new product they've done.
It's not stumbling. They've been using supplementary products like Commander and Planechase to print cards that they want to try out in Legacy and Vintage while not allowing them to enter Standard or Modern. Just look at {Baleful Strix} and {Shardless Agent}. Both see play in Legacy is some of the more powerful 2- and 3- drops. It's just that they've constantly underestimated the effect the eternal cards would have on the price of the boxes when sold by hobby stores that stand to lose money when someone buys a Mind Seize box, opens it, then turns around and sells the TNN to the store.
{Gravesifter} seems really good
That foreign card though damn
That reef wurm... Wtf??
Entire black deck spoiled: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/577116-basically-entire-black-deck-spoiled#c14
Medallion cycle reprinted. {Jet Medallion}
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
Entire black deck spoiled: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/577116-basically-entire-black-deck-spoiled#c14
Medallion cycle reprinted. {Jet Medallion}
That Kedvesem chick is cute 😱
{Profane Command} reprint, I wonder if the whole cycle will be...{Cryptic Command} could take a huge hit.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 10:32:04 PM
{Profane Command} reprint, I wonder if the whole cycle will be...{Cryptic Command} could take a huge hit.
I would not mind that, I need a playset!
Quote from: gtfotis on October 27, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 10:32:04 PM
{Profane Command} reprint, I wonder if the whole cycle will be...{Cryptic Command} could take a huge hit.
I would not mind that, I need a playset!
I just bought my playset this summer...That and I want to get the blue pre-con so that I don't always have to play Slivers, and Cryptic will put the price up.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 10:37:42 PM
Quote from: gtfotis on October 27, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 27, 2014, 10:32:04 PM
{Profane Command} reprint, I wonder if the whole cycle will be...{Cryptic Command} could take a huge hit.
I would not mind that, I need a playset!
I just bought my playset this summer...That and I want to get the blue pre-con so that I don't always have to play Slivers, and Cryptic will put the price up.
I want green maybe.. Because I love her art, haha.
They printed {Austere Command} in the first commander product without printing the cycle. It's possible they won't. Also, no {Damnation}, super sweet Tempest Medallion reprint though.
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 27, 2014, 11:05:16 PM
All 100 cards aren't there though. Hope is not yet lost
By my count it was 65, so I am guessing that no more than 5-10 cards can be missing (because there are already about 7 or so lands spoiled).
Reef worm and sac outlets?
Preview from Gathering Magic:
(http://i.imgur.com/qZeyVX3.png)
Source: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/insidethedeck-102814-commander-2014-exclusive-preview-titania-protector-of-argoth/ (http://www.gatheringmagic.com/insidethedeck-102814-commander-2014-exclusive-preview-titania-protector-of-argoth/)
She loves {Sylvan Safekeeper}, that's for sure.
Quote from: Remillo on October 28, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
She loves {Sylvan Safekeeper}, that's for sure.
Plus {fastbond} and {crucible of worlds}? BRB brewing sweet mono green combo deck.
Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on October 28, 2014, 12:31:07 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 28, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
She loves {Sylvan Safekeeper}, that's for sure.
Plus {fastbond} and {crucible of worlds}? BRB brewing sweet mono green combo deck.
Unfortunately {Fastbond} is banned. :-(
The new Angel with Flash is pretty sweet. A new way to Fog and utterly wreck Craterhoof, but not broken by being pairable with Dead-Eye.
Quote from: Remillo on October 28, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
The new Angel with Flash is pretty sweet. A new way to Fog and utterly wreck Craterhoof, but not broken by being pairable with Dead-Eye.
sorry, but why does being pairable with {dead-eye navigator} make it not broken?
Quote from: particle on October 28, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 28, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
The new Angel with Flash is pretty sweet. A new way to Fog and utterly wreck Craterhoof, but not broken by being pairable with Dead-Eye.
sorry, but why does being pairable with {dead-eye navigator} make it not broken?
Being paired with {Phage the Untouchable}??
and then {flicker}ing Phage??
Quote from: particle on October 28, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: Remillo on October 28, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
The new Angel with Flash is pretty sweet. A new way to Fog and utterly wreck Craterhoof, but not broken by being pairable with Dead-Eye.
sorry, but why does being pairable with {dead-eye navigator} make it not broken?
I'm saying it's not really pair able since the ability only triggers from hand. I really hate Deadeye, so it's a nice plus.
But dat {palinchron}....
So Wurmcoil engine reprint
http://www.magicspoiler.com/commander-2014/
Intense
I'm so pumped! Totally buying Built From Scratch!
Was just going to post that we know the names of the White and Red deck:
W: "Forged from Stone"
R: "Built from Scratch"
That pretty much clinches that White will be headed by Nahiri, the mysterious Kor Lithomancer that helped Ugin and Sorin seal away the Eldrazi the first time around. Because, you know... Rocks and Lithomancers. Hopefully this means we'll get a Stoneforge Mystic reprint.
As for Red, it looks like we'll be getting basically a Red Tezzeret. Going with Wurmcoil being spoiled and Feldon's ability, it makes perfect sense that it's an artifact themed deck. Hopefully it'll have some goodies for Kurkesh!
Added spoiled deck names and some cards to the main page.
If anyone wants to have a laugh, go on MTGSalvation and find the thread about Arcane Lighthouse. Most hilarious Butthurt from Voltron players that don't realize the card isn't as busted as it looks. Granted, it's still going in every deck I have that wants to interact with my opponents.
As someone with a janky uril deck built from leftover enchantments:
Voltron decks are stupid and boring and a small nerf that actually gets rid of shroud and Hexproof temporarily is something this game (EDH) needs
"Oh your guy is unblockable, pro creatures, Hexproof, trample first strike life link and is 20/20 current" /scoop on turn 6 of a "casual" game
Quote from: Noblellama on October 28, 2014, 01:48:16 PM
Hey rem, link for it?
The most hilarious amount of Butthurt over practically nothing. (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/577112-arcane-lighthouse)
Casual EDH means you don't play like a douche
If there were a Hoser scale, and {Cavern of Souls} is a 10 and {Shelkin Brownie} is a 1: {Arcane Lighthouse} is somewhere around 5.
Quote from: Dudecore on October 28, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
If there were a Hoser scale, and {Cavern of Souls} is a 10 and {Shelkin Brownie} is a 1: {Arcane Lighthouse} is somewhere around 5.
I don't know, I could see it at a 6 or 7 depending on the decks you generally deal with... I guess overall 5 works
ewwww {wave of vitriol}!
So far I am all in on {B}
Red walker and Lieutenant spoiled
Quote from: Dudecore on October 29, 2014, 07:07:42 AM
Red walker and Lieutenant spoiled
Oh I love him! That Assault Suit and Crown of Doom suggest some interesting play too...
There's a Karona equipment lol (In a way) {Karona False God} for reference
{scrap mastery} = {living end} for artifacts.
Loving Deretti and Scrap Mastery. Kurkesh is totally getting some new toys with this release, and I'm probably gonna be picking up the red deck.
NAHIRI IS A BEAST
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 29, 2014, 10:58:54 AM
White walker spoiled
Updates main page with new white walker
The lithomancer is kinda disappointing.... Maybe they will give us {stoneforge mystic} or {batterskull}...
Also, this -
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/nahirithelithomancer.jpg)
Turns out she WAS the Stoneforge Mystic the whole time! And her cards is pretty sweet and provides awesome utility for any Equipment-based deck. Isamaru decks will love her.
She's pretty much the defacto equipment deck Planeswaker. Pretty good if you run that type of deck, not very flexible elsewhere.
Complete and utter flavor fail...
None of her abilities have anything to do with lithomancy...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Complete and utter flavor fail...
None of her abilities have anything to do with lithomancy...
And the fact she was masquerading as {Stoneforge Mystic}? A non-legendary 2 drop that does essentially the same thing as the planeswalker. Flavor wise kinda weak
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Complete and utter flavor fail...
None of her abilities have anything to do with lithomancy...
-stone-forged blade
Which is being a blacksmith... Not divining the future from stones...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Complete and utter flavor fail...
None of her abilities have anything to do with lithomancy...
-stone-forged blade
Which is being a blacksmith... Not divining the future from stones...
Think about it this way - In Fantasy settings, the suffix -mancy generally implies manipulation, rather than divination. In the same way we call Chandra a Pyromancer (even though she clearly only uses it to blow stuff up and not for divination), we call Nahiri a Lithomancer, because she manipulates Stone.
Is Nahiri {Stoneforge Mystic}?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 29, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 29, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
Is Nahiri {Stoneforge Mystic}?
Yes
When did she get the spark? And where was she when the Eldrazi were released I feel like she coulda helped lol
Quote from: Remillo on October 29, 2014, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 11:27:40 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Complete and utter flavor fail...
None of her abilities have anything to do with lithomancy...
-stone-forged blade
Which is being a blacksmith... Not divining the future from stones...
Think about it this way - In Fantasy settings, the suffix -mancy generally implies manipulation, rather than divination. In the same way we call Chandra a Pyromancer (even though she clearly only uses it to blow stuff up and not for divination), we call Nahiri a Lithomancer, because she manipulates Stone.
{Chandra, Pyromaster} 0 ability can be considered a form of divination. By exiling the top card, you are 1 card deeper (the future), which you might play that turn (because the future is never guarenteed).
Upon further research, I guess Nahiri's -2 ability could be considered a form of lithomancy, by bringing an equipment back from the grave (seeing the past) or bringing one in from your hand (clarifying the present). Which lithomancy can do: "see" the past, clarify the present or predict the future.
It's a story fail basically. She had her spark pre-mending when Sorin, Ugin and Nahiri trapped the Eldrazi on Zendikar. She is pictured on {Stoneforge Mystic}, even the same armband welding the sword she pulled from that stone she split. There is no reason she should also be {Stoneforge Mystic} because it's non-legendary. {Nicol Bolas}, {Karn, Silver Golem} and {Venser, Shaper Savant} are all legendary planeswalkers/future planeswalkers
Quote from: Remillo on October 29, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
Also, this -
(http://www.mythicspoiler.com/c14/cards/nahirithelithomancer.jpg)
Turns out she WAS the Stoneforge Mystic the whole time! And her cards is pretty sweet and provides awesome utility for any Equipment-based deck. Isamaru decks will love her.
She's beautiful...
Quote from: ConanEdo on October 29, 2014, 11:53:39 AM
So, I don't think has been mentioned yet, but Reef Wurm may be the best card were printed on flavor grounds.
It's the creature that keeps on giving...
Do broken stuff with {Hell's Caretaker}...
{Phyrexian Altar}, {Goblin Bombardment}, {Fling}, {Butcher of the Horde}, {Abjure} (lol!!), {Altar of Bone}...
Just had an idea for a sweet small{Pox} deck with that dude!!
She's still an incredible card, despite the flavor fail.
This card is from thousands of years in the past. Return to Zendikar nothing
I mean, why would she dress like herself and just do the same things if she was laying low? Seems to defeat the purpose. Nahiri might be dead by this point in the story, but if she is {Stoneforge Mystic} then they got some 'splainin to do.
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 29, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 29, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 29, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
Is Nahiri {Stoneforge Mystic}?
Yes
When did she get the spark? And where was she when the Eldrazi were released I feel like she coulda helped lol
According to Doug, Nahiri is from a long tradition of Kor lithomancers and that is why she looks like Stoneforge Mystic. Basically, Nahiri is SFM, but not all SFM are Nahiri.
Any hope for a {sword of fire and ice} reprint?
Yup. Modern Masters ;)
Is emrakul still floating AFTER being turned to stone??
Teferi, Freyalisr, Titania and Feldon confirms return to Dominaria!!!
It's probably an image meant to show when they first sealed them. Pretty sure Ugin won't be coming back to life, but rather, grant his powers to Sarkhan.
Quote from: Remillo on October 29, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
It's probably an image meant to show when they first sealed them. Pretty sure Ugin won't be coming back to life, but rather, grant his powers to Sarkhan.
They were originally trapped in the eye of Ugin werent they?
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
Gonna be some crazy freaking eldrazi stuff! I see sonething like Emrakul, Unleased being in our future.
Emrakul is "unleased" enough...
Let's see yawgmoth!
Quote from: blackychan1 on October 29, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
Gonna be some crazy freaking eldrazi stuff! I see sonething like Emrakul, Unleased being in our future.
Emrakul is "unleased" enough...
Let's see yawgmoth!
I agree!!! The biggest baddest sadistic villain ever (besides Lord Bolas), arch-enemy of Urza, Creator of Modern day Phyrexians needs his own hellish card.
Perhaps there is a 6th Commander deck that is extremely tightly under lock-and-key, like Fort Knox....
Just noticed this on the mtgsalvation wiki
0/0 Germ for :
{Batterskull} maybe??
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Commander_2014#Tokens_and_emblems
Back to the Nahiri/SFM thing, would {Stoneforge Mystic} been as effective in standard as a Legendary creature? Who am I kidding, that crap's broken.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 29, 2014, 02:41:51 PM
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Quote from: Mattao19 on October 29, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
Is Nahiri {Stoneforge Mystic}?
Yes
When did she get the spark? And where was she when the Eldrazi were released I feel like she coulda helped lol
According to Doug, Nahiri is from a long tradition of Kor lithomancers and that is why she looks like Stoneforge Mystic. Basically, Nahiri is SFM, but not all SFM are Nahiri.
Sounds like a lazy cover up. Like they could have made Neferi look entirely different from Stoneforge Mystic, but the look exactly the same
I don't know if anyone has said this but the reprinted {fire diamond} and the others would make great candidates for altered mox proxies
Quote from: Noblellama on October 29, 2014, 04:04:35 PM
Return to Zendicar NOW confirmed
(http://i.imgur.com/y1z5e1R.jpg)
Sorin, Ugin in jade spirit form and the Lithomancer after Emrakul, Ulamog and Kozilek are turned back to stone
That picture is sweet!
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
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Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
Gonna be some crazy freaking eldrazi stuff! I see sonething like Emrakul, Unleased being in our future.
Emrakul is "unleased" enough...
Let's see yawgmoth!
I agree!!! The biggest baddest sadistic villain ever (besides Lord Bolas), arch-enemy of Urza, Creator of Modern day Phyrexians needs his own hellish card.
Perhaps there is a 6th Commander deck that is extremely tightly under lock-and-key, like Fort Knox....
Just noticed this on the mtgsalvation wiki
0/0 Germ for :
{Batterskull} maybe??
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Commander_2014#Tokens_and_emblems
All those weapons used a germ token. Highly doubt they will print It again since it was just a promo.
Quote from: Rass on October 29, 2014, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on October 29, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
Gonna be some crazy freaking eldrazi stuff! I see sonething like Emrakul, Unleased being in our future.
Emrakul is "unleased" enough...
Let's see yawgmoth!
I agree!!! The biggest baddest sadistic villain ever (besides Lord Bolas), arch-enemy of Urza, Creator of Modern day Phyrexians needs his own hellish card.
Perhaps there is a 6th Commander deck that is extremely tightly under lock-and-key, like Fort Knox....
Just noticed this on the mtgsalvation wiki
0/0 Germ for :
{Batterskull} maybe??
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Commander_2014#Tokens_and_emblems
All those weapons used a germ token. Highly doubt they will print It again since it was just a promo.
{Lashwrithe} was spoiled in the Black deck.
Quote from: Dudecore on October 29, 2014, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: Rass on October 29, 2014, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: blackychan1 on October 29, 2014, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 29, 2014, 05:00:39 PM
Gonna be some crazy freaking eldrazi stuff! I see sonething like Emrakul, Unleased being in our future.
Emrakul is "unleased" enough...
Let's see yawgmoth!
I agree!!! The biggest baddest sadistic villain ever (besides Lord Bolas), arch-enemy of Urza, Creator of Modern day Phyrexians needs his own hellish card.
Perhaps there is a 6th Commander deck that is extremely tightly under lock-and-key, like Fort Knox....
Just noticed this on the mtgsalvation wiki
0/0 Germ for :
{Batterskull} maybe??
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Commander_2014#Tokens_and_emblems
All those weapons used a germ token. Highly doubt they will print It again since it was just a promo.
{Lashwrithe} was spoiled in the Black deck.
Oh 😢
Anyone know if each deck is going to be like C13... With foil oversized commander cards and normal sized non-foil commander cards?
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 09:20:30 PM
Anyone know if each deck is going to be like C13... With foil oversized commander cards and normal sized non-foil commander cards?
My guess is yes since they have done it like that in the first two.
Quote from: Rass on October 29, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 29, 2014, 09:20:30 PM
Anyone know if each deck is going to be like C13... With foil oversized commander cards and normal sized non-foil commander cards?
My guess is yes since they have done it like that in the first two.
I vaguely remember reading an article saying that they're replacing the secondary Commanders oversize cards with the tokens.
Don't quote me on that though.
I don't mean to Mlearner the argument/convo, but Nahiri is amazing! This Esperian is a HUGE fan! I'm willing to buy the SFM look as a uniform for a group because I love the character, I love the abilities, I love the link to the original card and I love the game. Yes, they could have thought it out a little better, but the same could be said for limitless other cards that are now either restricted or the most played cards in the game.
That is all. I'll just be over here holding hands with an SF Mystic. 😜
Are the deck lists for all C14 decks spoiled anywhere? I'd like to see what's being reprinted in the decks.
Not the whole decks yet but mtgs has a pretty good list.
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on October 30, 2014, 04:50:25 AM
Are the deck lists for all C14 decks spoiled anywhere? I'd like to see what's being reprinted in the decks.
The Black deck has been spoiled, but it seems to not be Wizards enforced.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 29, 2014, 04:04:35 PM
Return to Zendicar NOW confirmed
(http://i.imgur.com/y1z5e1R.jpg)
Sorin, Ugin in jade spirit form and the Lithomancer after Emrakul, Ulamog and Kozilek are turned back to stone
Lama read the article before you say confirmed. This is a pic of them sealing the eldrazi! The article is about meeting the lithomancer and who she is and the sealing of the eldrazi.
Nahiri is the new ow in Cm 14. She is the lithomancer that was spoken of in the sealing of the eldrazi.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/ur/lithomancer-2014-10-29
Mothership gave us all lists today. I'm not a thrilled as I want to be
Has anyone seen the two drop white hate bear that shuts down all cheatyface strategies?? 2/2 flash, if a creature would enter the battlefield and wasn't cast exile it instead?! That's nuts!!
Imma buy a white deck then and sell one a year later
Well if they are reprints: why print them at a different rarity?
Le spoiled
I almost wanna sell some of mine; but I know I will just buy the complete 2014 set and put it in the closet with my 2013 set and my FTVs
You still have to spend $40 to open those cards (35+tax) so I feel some cards won't drop that heavily
Glad chaos warp is reprinted. Never wanted to spend $10 on it
Quote from: GlowackAttack on October 31, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
Here are spoilers that are EDH staples and on their way to low price city:
{Grand Abolisher}
{Twilight Shepard}
{MArtial Coup}
{Skullclamp}
{Emeria, the Sky Ruins}
{Thran Dynamo}
{Solemn Simulacrum}
{Wurmcoil Engine}
{Joraga Warcaller}
well {solemn simulacrum} has already been printed a few times so i doubt its price will drop much.
Quote from: Taysby on October 31, 2014, 12:37:51 PM
What does everything's morph cost become from {ixodon}?
nothing. theyre 2/2s but they have no abilities like unmorph, so they cant be turned face up unless you have that guy out who has an activated ability to turn face down creatures face up. {ixidor, reality sculptor}.
Quote from: particle on October 31, 2014, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: Taysby on October 31, 2014, 12:37:51 PM
What does everything's morph cost become from {ixodon}?
nothing. theyre 2/2s but they have no abilities like unmorph, so they cant be turned face up unless you have that guy out who has an activated ability to turn face down creatures face up. {ixidor, reality sculptor}.
Or, of course, if the creature has morph like half the creatures in the deck.
Quote from: Taysby on October 31, 2014, 12:53:38 PM
What the heck? {Song of the dryads}
yea that card will be ugly in edh. oh cool commander you got, hes a forest now...
I think my favorite is black.
Dat {containment priest} doe...
I wish the blue deck didnt suck so much...
Guys.. I think wizards screwed us. Did anyone else notice that all of the basic lands correlate to the zendikar full art lands in partial art??
Quote from: VQMracing on October 31, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Guys.. I think wizards screwed us. Did anyone else notice that all of the basic lands correlate to the zendikar full art lands in partial art??
They always do this with preccostructed decks featuring zen lands. However, fatpacks did come with the full arts. Pretty awesome they used zen lands to fit with the walkers homeworld.
The blue deck is really pretty pitiful. There is almost nothing compelling about it, nothing new or interesting. Just a straight forward blue deck...
The new {skullclamp} art is ugly :(
The blue deck is just big and durdly with creatures that have little/no synergy. Geralf has no reason being included, does nothing for the deck. Teferi is ok, he's {Preordain} to {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}s {Brainstorm}. It's just big fatties, blue has those as finishers, not for almost every creature.
But it's not thematic. It could just as well been anything... its got a morph theme, a single card zombie theme, drawing cards and caring about planeswalkers with Teferi, and big creatures that aren't even that cool. It is not well thought out IMO.
I dunno, Glow. I've been playing EDH for years and I've always had a theme. At least 75% synergy is what makes an EDH deck carve opposition.
They could have made a strong Morph deck out of it, or do a {Polymorph} style deck, or something. It's a missed opportunity to do something cool with a pre-con. They just seemed to jam mana rocks into a deck with no interesting creatures to play. If you're just jumping into EDH you'll be much happier spending your money elsewhere.
Quote from: Dudecore on October 31, 2014, 10:58:36 PM
They could have made a strong Morph deck out of it, or do a {Polymorph} style deck, or something. It's a missed opportunity to do something cool with a pre-con. They just seemed to jam mana rocks into a deck with no interesting creatures to play. If you're just jumping into EDH you'll be much happier spending your money elsewhere.
This^^^ Polymorph should be played by all!!! :DDDDD <3
Polymorph would be fun, it could have justified the big creatures. Maybe a new Polymorph card or two, {Mass Polymorph} as a finisher. Illusion type magic, things aren't what they appear to be! Sometimes I wish I got to design products for Wizards.
(http://abigailcristo.com/files/et_temp/Not-sure-if-compliment-Or-thinly-veiled-insult-32957_218x218.jpg)
I'm really keen to give the Kor/Soldier/Token/Equip a run! I haven't looked heavily into the others, but I feel the Mardu decks are the most cohesive.
Ob Nixilis planeswalker is ass. But Gisa is good, and it's got some kind of synergy. It at least IS a mono-black deck.
The red one is newish and exciting. Mono red is traditionally not a great EDH color so they pushed it pretty hard.
The white deck is straightforward, tons of room to upgrade and it's a simple archetype for players to build around.
Blue stinks.
I've spent almost no time reading the green one.
Same, I have no idea what's in the green. I did just preorder all five for AU 170, and I was happy to get the other 4 for that!
The Green Land Wrath is so OP and lame if you play it vs a 5 colour deck it's {Armageddon} that doesn't kill your lands ... It's pretty dumb if you ask me
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 01, 2014, 01:17:44 AM
The Green Land Wrath is so OP and lame if you play it vs a 5 colour deck it's {Armageddon} that doesn't kill your lands ... It's pretty dumb if you ask me
Isn't it just green {Jokulhaups}? The art is similar..
Quote from: Dudecore on November 01, 2014, 01:20:13 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 01, 2014, 01:17:44 AM
The Green Land Wrath is so OP and lame if you play it vs a 5 colour deck it's {Armageddon} that doesn't kill your lands ... It's pretty dumb if you ask me
Isn't it just green {Jokulhaups}? The art is similar..
True .. BUT then you get basics into play. If you're playing 3+ colour EDH you run like 5 non basics and this just kills you
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 01, 2014, 01:22:31 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 01, 2014, 01:20:13 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on November 01, 2014, 01:17:44 AM
The Green Land Wrath is so OP and lame if you play it vs a 5 colour deck it's {Armageddon} that doesn't kill your lands ... It's pretty dumb if you ask me
Isn't it just green {Jokulhaups}? The art is similar..
True .. BUT then you get basics into play. If you're playing 3+ colour EDH you run like 5 non basics and this just kills you
That'd fall squarely in the catagory of "poor deck design". It doesnt say you can never play lands again...it's worse then {Armageddon} or {Jokulhaups} even.
Not really if I'm playing 5 colour why would I ever want more than 5 basics? You need to hit dbl. {B} then dbl {W} then {U} {G} {R} so why wouldn't I run all the non basics?
Look at Taysbys 3 colour Narset deck it runs 4 basics ... And that's 3 colour!!
That's just the nature of running a mana-greedy deck. The more non-basics you decide to play, the more you open yourself up to being blown out by {Price of Progress}, {Back to Basics}, {Ruination} and the like. Playing lands that produce multiple colors is both a luxury and a risk. There has to be a drawback, and being prone to more land hate is certainly a big one. Otherwise, 5-color goodstuff with perfect mana bases would be absolutely everywhere.
Quote from: Remillo on November 01, 2014, 02:46:24 AM
That's just the nature of running a mana-greedy deck. The more non-basics you decide to play, the more you open yourself up to being blown out by {Price of Progress}, {Back to Basics}, {Ruination} and the like. Playing lands that produce multiple colors is both a luxury and a risk. There has to be a drawback, and being prone to more land hate is certainly a big one. Otherwise, 5-color goodstuff with perfect mana bases would be absolutely everywhere.
Pretty much this. Punishing greedy mana bases is part of how the game works. Its why {Blood Moon} is so popular.