I have been looking for a really long time for a mono-black general (demon) that I can build around, and this seems to be my guy. Any suggestions into what this deck can run to abuse his effect more? (By effect I mean his take 10)
just from a quick search mono black has some things that can force your opponents to search their library to trigger {ob nixilis, unshackled} (even though that link wont work yet). so black has spells that let you search your opponents library and exile cards like {surgical extraction}, {haunting echoes} and {bitter ordeal}. but the finisher could be {neverending torment}. you could also run {maralen of the mornsong}. seems like a sweet deck.
Quote from: particle on July 19, 2014, 11:06:53 AM
just from a quick search mono black has some things that can force your opponents to search their library to trigger {ob nixilis, unshackled} (even though that link wont work yet). so black has spells that let you search your opponents library and exile cards like {surgical extraction}, {haunting echoes} and {bitter ordeal}. but the finisher could be {neverending torment}. you could also run {maralen of the mornsong}. seems like a sweet deck.
Those all seem like amazing cards. The thing is, and I could be wrong so please correct me if I am, but does the opposing player have to search their library and not you search it for them..? If you can search their library and they take 10 an sac then that's amazing :) thank you for the suggestions nonetheless!
Your opponent has to be the one to search the library. Sadly, the only card that can force a search at instant speed is {Fertilid}, which is green. Practically ever thing else is 'may search'... Except for a sweet card called {Maralen of the Mornsong}. She plays very well with new Ob, if you can protect her.
The new Ob fits best as utility/finisher in a Mono-Black control/prison deck, where his ability deters your opponents from being able to search up answers, as opposed to trying to be a 'build-around-me' card.
Quote from: Remillo on July 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Your opponent has to be the one to search the library. Sadly, the only card that can force a search at instant speed is {Fertilid}, which is green. Practically ever thing else is 'may search'... Except for a sweet card called {Maralen of the Mornsong}. She plays very well with new Ob, if you can protect her.
The new Ob fits best as utility/finisher in a Mono-Black control/prison deck, where his ability deters your opponents from being able to search up answers, as opposed to trying to be a 'build-around-me' card.
hey remillo, is that really true? if i {surgical extraction} and target you, dont i get to search your library, not you? for two reasons, to make sure extraction gets some targets cause otherwise theyd always fail to find? and two cant you just cast it to see whats in their library?
Quote from: particle on July 19, 2014, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Your opponent has to be the one to search the library. Sadly, the only card that can force a search at instant speed is {Fertilid}, which is green. Practically ever thing else is 'may search'... Except for a sweet card called {Maralen of the Mornsong}. She plays very well with new Ob, if you can protect her.
The new Ob fits best as utility/finisher in a Mono-Black control/prison deck, where his ability deters your opponents from being able to search up answers, as opposed to trying to be a 'build-around-me' card.
hey remillo, is that really true? if i {surgical extraction} and target you, dont i get to search your library, not you? for two reasons, to make sure extraction gets some targets cause otherwise theyd always fail to find? and two cant you just cast it to see whats in their library?
Surgical instructs you to search the player's library. Ob Nixilis says your opponent has to be the one searching their own library. If you control Ob Nixilis and Surgical someone, Ob doesn't trigger since you're the one searching. As for the second thing, you can totally Surgical a random card in their graveyard to see their hand and library.
Quote from: Remillo on July 19, 2014, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: particle on July 19, 2014, 02:28:39 PM
Quote from: Remillo on July 19, 2014, 12:23:21 PM
Your opponent has to be the one to search the library. Sadly, the only card that can force a search at instant speed is {Fertilid}, which is green. Practically ever thing else is 'may search'... Except for a sweet card called {Maralen of the Mornsong}. She plays very well with new Ob, if you can protect her.
The new Ob fits best as utility/finisher in a Mono-Black control/prison deck, where his ability deters your opponents from being able to search up answers, as opposed to trying to be a 'build-around-me' card.
hey remillo, is that really true? if i {surgical extraction} and target you, dont i get to search your library, not you? for two reasons, to make sure extraction gets some targets cause otherwise theyd always fail to find? and two cant you just cast it to see whats in their library?
Surgical instructs you to search the player's library. Ob Nixilis says your opponent has to be the one searching their own library. If you control Ob Nixilis and Surgical someone, Ob doesn't trigger since you're the one searching. As for the second thing, you can totally Surgical a random card in their graveyard to see their hand and library.
oh i see. that makes sense. i thought you were saying when you surgical someone they are the one who searches. +1 obi wan.
Maybe {Ghost Quartwr}
They won't fall for ghost quarters if on is on the field.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on July 19, 2014, 07:22:01 PM
They won't fall for ghost quarters if on is on the field.
Well then it's just land removal
I can't think of many cards that require an opponent to search their library. Maybe {Maralen of the Mornsong}? It's a fairly adequate board {Stasis} because it makes your tuck effects better, neuters tutors (hey, that rhymes!) and makes Fetchlands terrible.
I just think that with the deficiency of forced tutors (especially in mono black) it probably isn't ready for showtime. I will be playtesting it in my Stax deck because of soft lock implications, I just don't think it's Commander material.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 19, 2014, 09:08:32 PM
I can't think of many cards that require an opponent to search their library. Maybe {Maralen of the Mornsong}? It's a fairly adequate board {Stasis} because it makes your tuck effects better, neuters tutors (hey, that rhymes!) and makes Fetchlands terrible.
I just think that with the deficiency of forced tutors (especially in mono black) it probably isn't ready for showtime
I've been testing him out in just a strong monoblack shell, and he's deffinetly not the "build around" commander, but he's a very big thorn in people's sides, as well as he seems to do well as a voltron commander just like his other card.
Yeah he's really good at hosing my {Roon of the Hidden Realm} deck because he shuts down {Birthing Pod}, {Survival of the Fittest}/{Fauna Shaman} and every other good card in the deck. It's got a place in the format, but probably not in the Command Zone.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 19, 2014, 09:26:55 PM
Yeah he's really good at hosing my {Roon of the Hidden Realm} deck because he shuts down {Birthing Pod}, {Survival of the Fittest}/{Fauna Shaman} and every other good card in the deck. It's got a place in the format, but probably not in the Command Zone.
I see your reasoning, so what would you make as a monoblack general? I want something with power, as most of my other decks are more for fun.
I think {Sheoldred, Whispering One} and {Maralen of the Mornsong} are the go to mono black commanders. I am not familiar enough with mono color decks, but I believe they're the strongest.
{Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief} is strong too, just a bit more narrow as it requires your opponents to be into creature strategies
Quote from: Dudecore on July 19, 2014, 10:02:54 PM
I think {Sheoldred, Whispering One} and {Maralen of the Mornsong} are the go to mono black commanders. I am not familiar enough with mono color decks, but I believe they're the strongest.
{Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief} is strong too, just a bit more narrow as it requires your opponents to be into creature strategies
my {geth, lord of the vault} will take on any sheoldred deck.
Quote from: particle on July 19, 2014, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on July 19, 2014, 10:02:54 PM
I think {Sheoldred, Whispering One} and {Maralen of the Mornsong} are the go to mono black commanders. I am not familiar enough with mono color decks, but I believe they're the strongest.
{Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief} is strong too, just a bit more narrow as it requires your opponents to be into creature strategies
my {geth, lord of the vault} will take on any sheoldred deck.
Forgot about Geth also. Another strong one. There are others, but you get the jist. It depends on what type of powerful thing you want to build. Which type of player you are, ect ect. I'd probably even include {Ob Nixilis, Unshackled} into the deck because it is a powerful tutor hoser. It makes {Zur the Enchanter} useless (which is likely the point) and demands they have answers in hand.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 19, 2014, 10:02:54 PM
I think {Sheoldred, Whispering One} and {Maralen of the Mornsong} are the go to mono black commanders. I am not familiar enough with mono color decks, but I believe they're the strongest.
{Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief} is strong too, just a bit more narrow as it requires your opponents to be into creature strategies
{mikaeus the unhallowed} is a wicked mono black.
Make it {Maralen of the Mornsong} and put {Ob Nixillis, Unshackled} in it.
{Mirri the Cursed} And {erebos, god of the damned} are pretty strong mono-black commanders, too. Mirri, for fast beats and erebos for additional card draw...
2 mana and 2 life doesnt seem worth the card draw when you can use {Necropotence}
Quote from: AdamS on July 21, 2014, 10:39:34 PM
2 mana and 2 life doesnt seem worth the card draw when you can use {Necropotence}
well i mean you would run both. thing is they can blow up your necro. erebos is indestructable for one, and if shes your commander you can recast her pretty easily.
Quote from: AdamS on July 21, 2014, 10:39:34 PM
2 mana and 2 life doesnt seem worth the card draw when you can use {Necropotence}
Too many people in my area run {Jin-Gitaxias, the Core Augur} for Necro to be that good.
Quote from: griffin131 on July 22, 2014, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: AdamS on July 21, 2014, 10:39:34 PM
2 mana and 2 life doesnt seem worth the card draw when you can use {Necropotence}
Too many people in my area run {Jin-Gitaxias, the Core Augur} for Necro to be that good.
I thought Jin was banned, he's certainly nasty.
They don't run him as a Commander, but as a normal creature. Which is bad enough.
thats cause running him as commander = you being the first to die