So, I threw this together and am starting to test it on MtGO. Thoughts? It's a modified net deck from some time ago. Criticism welcome!
16 {Plains}
4 {Mutavault}
20 Lands
4 {Boros Elite}
4 {Soldier of the Pantheon}
4 {Judge's Familiar}
4 {Dryad Militant}
4 {Precinct Captain}
4 {Daring Skyjek}
3 {Imposing Sovereign}
2 {Banisher Priest}
2 {Brimaz, King of Oreskos}
32 Creatures
4 {Brave the Elements}
2 {Spear of Heliod}
1 {Return to the Ranks}
2 {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
9 Non-Creature Spells
1 {Aegis of the Gods}
2 {Reprisal}
3 {Rootborn Defenses}
3 {Revoke Existence}
1 {Last Breath}
4 {Fiendslayer Paladin}
1 {Banishing Light}
15 Sideboard
Precinct captain over the arrester
I wouldn't play Loyal Pegasus as it can't attack until turn 3. Instead I'd play Raise the Alarm.
Taking all suggestions into consideration! Some M15 things I'm considering are {Return to the Ranks}, {Ajani Steadfast}, and possibly {Preeminent Captain}.
I think this deck looks good, but has no way to prevent golgari charm, and the other 3 mana -2/-2. Saying this, I think you need to either make this deck resilient to golgari charm, by playing something like return to the ranks, or try to beat them before they play it which is touch because it is 2 mana. I recommend having allot of other ways to comeback from wipes, because -1-1 goes through indestructible.
{Banishing light} is also a good sb card.
{reprisal} is very good in the monsters match ups;)
{celestial flare} is good for naya aura decks
{last breath} is good for aggro and opposing mutavalts
-1/-1 on a 1/1 indestructible does not cause it to die..
You can only exile indestructible..
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 18, 2014, 04:37:45 PM
-1/-1 on a 1/1 indestructible does not cause it to die..
You can only exile indestructible..
indestructible states any effect or amount of damage that would destroy a card with indestructible doesn't destroy it. the only to kill a card that is indestructible would be to exile it, remove it from the game, or reduce its toughness to 0 if it's a creature. (Grasp of Darkness )
Wrong, -1 -1 can put toughness to 0. Trust me I'm an experienced player xD
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on July 18, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 18, 2014, 04:37:45 PM
-1/-1 on a 1/1 indestructible does not cause it to die..
You can only exile indestructible..
indestructible states any effect or amount of damage that would destroy a card with indestructible doesn't destroy it. the only to kill a card that is indestructible would be to exile it, remove it from the game, or reduce its toughness to 0 if it's a creature. (Grasp of Darkness )
Wrong, -1 -1 can put toughness to 0. Trust me I'm an experienced player xD
This is true.
Bit of an overahaul:
-3 {Azorius Arrester}
-4 {Loyal Pegasus}
+1 {Return to the Ranks}
+3 {Precinct Captain}
+3 {Aegis of the Gods}
SB
-3 {Glare of Heresy}
-4 {Keening Apparition}
-3 {Acolyte's Reward}
+2 {Reprisal}
+3 {Rootborn Defenses}
+1 {Aegis of the Gods}
+3 {Revoke Existence}
+1 {Banishing Light}
Is there a reason to main deck aegis of the gods? If I were you I'd play 2 tops (if any) and 4 captains.
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 05:31:17 PM
Is there a reason to main deck aegis of the gods? If I were you I'd play 2 tops (if any) and 4 captains.
It's a 2 power beater that covers me from burn and {Thoughtseize}. I could drop one for a Captain. I'm not sold on them yet.
Er... Wait. Does tseize get around it?
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 05:31:17 PM
Is there a reason to main deck aegis of the gods? If I were you I'd play 2 tops (if any) and 4 captains.
It's a 2 power beater that covers me from burn and {Thoughtseize}. I could drop one for a Captain. I'm not sold on them yet.
Er... Wait. Does tseize get around it?
Hexproof says: cannot be the target of a spell or ability. I'm pretty sure thougtseize targets but idk. If it did not target it might say something like: the player of your choice. But I don't know.
Well, if seize gets around it, I'll definitely drop all main deck aegis and just SB two for the burn match up. Mono B devotion is still so big that I want to have some anti seize things main deck.
As for golgari charm and {Drown in Sorrow}, I'm at a loss. {Return to The Ranks} seems to be my only option. Considered adding a couple {Dauntless Onslaught} SB, but decided against it.
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
Well, if seize gets around it, I'll definitely drop all main deck aegis and just SB two for the burn match up. Mono B devotion is still so big that I want to have some anti seize things main deck.
As for golgari charm and {Drown in Sorrow}, I'm at a loss. {Return to The Ranks} seems to be my only option. Considered adding a couple {Dauntless Onslaught} SB, but decided against it.
Dauntless would actually be good. Defiantly sb. One of the decks I'm playing right now us boss sligh and we have the same problem, but can normally get in more damage before it happens. If only we had a red card that did something like that!
Aegis of the gods protects you from burns spells and thoughtseize
However it will not protect your dudes
Which is why brave the elements is the main key to white weenies
Well, trying the above list on MtGO with {Immortal Servitude} instead of {Return to the Ranks}. I'm 1-1 right now. I ran over an Izzet burn (maybe?) and Junk midrange slaughtered me game one, and then punished me for a greedy attack with {Advent of the Wurm}. {Blood Baron of Vizkopa} is an .rearexit., by the way haha
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} is an .rearexit., by the way haha
{Celestial Flare} all day.
Sidenote: {Thoughtsieze} does target, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to maindeck Aegis.
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} is an .rearexit., by the way haha
{Celestial Flare} all day.
Sidenote: {Thoughtsieze} does target, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to maindeck Aegis.
True!
I don't know, man. I'm still playing around with it. I've seen a lot of burn and Mono B on MtGO, so I may be just going off of that. A
lot of burn and mono B....
Perhaps dictate of Heliod? Not sure what else for golgarii
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 18, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
Perhaps dictate of Heliod? Not sure what else for golgarii
I thought about it, but I have yet to see five mana.... I rarely see four haha. It's making {Immortal Servitude} super awkward...
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} is an .rearexit., by the way haha
{Celestial Flare} all day.
Sidenote: {Thoughtsieze} does target, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to maindeck Aegis.
True!
I don't know, man. I'm still playing around with it. I've seen a lot of burn and Mono B on MtGO, so I may be just going off of that. A lot of burn and mono B....
That might be true. Just advice from someone who plays a lot of white weenie without knowing the meta well :P it seems a little too situational to maindeck. But if you see enough burn, I guess.....
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 07:19:03 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 18, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
{Blood Baron of Vizkopa} is an .rearexit., by the way haha
{Celestial Flare} all day.
Sidenote: {Thoughtsieze} does target, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to maindeck Aegis.
True!
I don't know, man. I'm still playing around with it. I've seen a lot of burn and Mono B on MtGO, so I may be just going off of that. A lot of burn and mono B....
That might be true. Just advice from someone who plays a lot of white weenie without knowing the meta well :P it seems a little too situational to maindeck. But if you see enough burn, I guess.....
I'm definitely considering dropping it from main deck. It's been meh so far.
More updates!!
-4 {Judge's Familiar}
-3 {Aegis of the Gods}
+2 {Ajani, Caller of the Pride}
+1 {Hall of Triumph}
+3 {Cavalry Pegasus}
+1 {Precinct Captain}
I may also need to find room for another plains... Raised the curve a tad here. Aegis didn't do me much, but I am going to leave the one-of in the SB. I've been super irritated every time I draw/open with {Judge's Familiar}, so I'm cutting it altogether. Haven't used it once and one power is negligible if I'm in a bind. Going to give the {Cavalry Pegasus} a go. I know two mana 1/1 is no good, but evasion for the rest of my dudes seems good. May end up dropping it soon. Needed a finisher several times, and I know from experience that {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} is good at being just that.
Leave those familiars in there!!
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Leave those familiars in there!!
Yeah, played another game and decided I will haha.
+4 {Judge's Familiar}
-3 {Cavalry Pegasus}
-1 {Precinct Captain}
-1 Hall of Triumph
+1 Precinct Captain
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 18, 2014, 04:37:45 PM
-1/-1 on a 1/1 indestructible does not cause it to die..
You can only exile indestructible..
Stop with the trolling man, your the older one. Act it.
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 18, 2014, 09:46:33 PM
-1 Hall of Triumph
+1 Precinct Captain
Yep.
SB
-1 {Aegis of the Gods}
+1 {Glare of Heresy}
-3 imposing sovereign
+3 {boros reckoner}
Might need 1 more land cutting return to the ranks if you do this. Want me to bump up my old standard white weenie list?
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 21, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
-3 imposing sovereign
+3 {boros reckoner}
Might need 1 more land cutting return to the ranks if you do this. Want me to bump up my old standard white weenie list?
Is Reckoner worth it? There's a lot of things like {Detention Sphere}, {Banishing Light}, {Banisher Priest}, hell, even {Kiora, the Crashing Wave}. {Boros Reckoner} just seems kinda weak right now.
I mean, he's super cheap now, so I'll give it a shot, but I feel like bashing in with a ton of little dudes, then bringing them all back seems better. I'm honestly really liking {Immortal Servitude}. May consider keeping it over {Return to the Ranks}. Sure, RttR can hit {Precinct Captain}, but Servitude can bring back a TON of things for four mana.
If you have to choose one I'd go with return. I've tried servitude and it hasn't worked so well for me.
On reckoner/sovereign- both are for the agro matchup, except reckoner seems better against control. If they banishing light a 3/3 with no other abilities (unless they play UWR or have and elspeth down), great. Now your precinct captains can keep making soldiers.
Tried the reckoners, and it didn't go so well. Just going to keep the sovereigns.
Well, thanks for at least trying my idea :)