Are standard players the dumbest players in magic? I just ask bc recently at FNMs I'd play guys who've been playing for over a year but strictly standard!! No EDH or Modern or anything but standard and drafts! And they are just so dumb! Looking at the spoilers they just don't get it!
Quotes like:
"How is {Raise the Alarm} good? All it gets you are 2 weak tokens"
*this next one was said at the BNG release*
"I played Green and Courser was my seeded rare FML that'll be a $1 rare some lol"
And my favourite!! "Ew Chord of calling costs 3 Green AND X who the hell would play that?"
Sorry I just get frustrated my silly people!!
End rant :D
Yeah....standard is definitely the dumbest of the formats. I'd rank them (in order of difficulty, from most to least): Vintage, Legacy, Draft, Sealed, Modern, Commander (depending on how your group plays, this could be different), Standard.
Quote from: Taysby on July 16, 2014, 02:38:08 AM
No, it's legacy, modern, commander, sealed, vintage, standard.
Vintage is easy, just drop your lotus into your game winning spell and force their counter. :P
As someone who plays Vintage every few months, that's a load of crock :P It's actually Legacy, EDH, Vintage, Limited, Modern/Standard...
At least for me. Legacy, EDH, Vintage and Cube all have the most number of ridiculous interactions, which make them "Harder to Play".
Anyways, we have tons of high-level Standard players at our store, who also play competitively in every other format. The only reason Standard is so huge is because it's kind of the 'beginner's format'. Once people get a taste of the good stuff, they'll probably be switching over. If they don't, oh well. To each their own.
Ok. Let's face it. We were all like that at one time. I got out of standard about a year and a half ago. It's because I had found modern and realised it was just way more fun. Not to long ago my LGS did something they called the great enlightenment where they proxied up some top teir/really fun Modern decks and handed them to standard players as they walked in and we had a modern tournament. It brought lots of players to modern. It was a good day
Quote from: Munchlax on July 16, 2014, 08:27:03 AM
Ok. Let's face it. We were all like that at one time. I got out of standard about a year and a half ago. It's because I had found modern and realised it was just way more fun. Not to long ago my LGS did something they called the great enlightenment where they proxied up some top teir/really fun Modern decks and handed them to standard players as they walked in and we had a modern tournament. It brought lots of players to modern. It was a good day
That would be so awesome lol, I would love to join in on that!
I disagree. All people are fundamentally stupid.
If you were to ask me who I thought were the most annoying group of players, I would tell you the people that value cards solely based on their monetary value.
I don't agree with this at all. Standard players may have it "easier" because the card pool is smaller to choose from; but to lump all Standard players together and call them stupid is a stupid comment in and of itself. People just starting out have no concept of Modern or Legacy or Vintage for the most part, simply because most of those sets aren't readily available to them. And for most people, Standard is all they can afford. So maybe try being more educational to these folks instead of being snide and offering backhanded comments?
Just my two cents. I love all formats.
That's true guys and tbh I was just more annoyed than logical lol I had to rant but I know that not every Standard player is dumb as I myself play standard (.. Wait uh oh lol) but just had to ask what y'all thought :P
All in all I would consider standard to be the "dumb" format, if I had to pick one. But we all start somewhere, right? I have grown to seriously dislike the format, not the people who play it. :P
As far as difficulty in other formats, I can't speak for legacy or vintage because we aren't there yet monetarily speaking. I agree that EDH is more difficult to play than modern solely because the interactions can become so complex, and you never really know what you can expect in a game. Whereas, with modern, you typically know what you're up against, making the format "easier" to play. This is my opinion at least.
And besides, it makes sense that standard players would seem dumb. I vividly remember not understanding what made fetch lands so great when zendikar came out, I'd only been playing for less than a year at the time, still getting to know the intricacies of the game. If I heard someone say now why they don't get how fetches or shocks are good, I'd shake my head and think to myself "I used to be that dumb". Haha
I play standard and EDH. I'm not a pro by any means, but I'm not a noob either. EDH is so much fun. Standard is the only format that stays fresh over time. When I have the cash, I'll get into modern... Actually, I'll probably get into modern when the fetches are reprinted.
Quote from: Taysby on July 16, 2014, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 16, 2014, 01:20:20 AM
"How is {Raise the Alarm} good? All it gets you are 2 weak tokens"
You get 2 chump blockers at instant speed. It's ok, but i wouldn't say it's good.
Don't pull the card advantage thing on me, that's not really card advantage.
It's two creatures for two mana. So for a lot of console spells that's two less mana you have to pay for almost every one after you play a raise the alarm. Otherwise it's just instant speed tokens which is good in a weenie deck
I think stupid is a little harsh and I'm not a fan of the big ego people get when they play multiple formats. Ignorant might be a better word, they're just not aware of how cards will interact with cards outside of standard and generally won't care, but don't let that upset you. That's immature and you sound like a magic bigot, babe. 😉
They'll learn with more experience.
I understand someone not knowing the interactions in some weird Legacy deck, but for someone to look at {Courser of Kruphix}, {Raise the Alarm} and {Chord of Calling} and call them horrible cards simply implies a low level of thought processing. I guess Chord is understandable, it might not see a lot of standard play right now, but {Courser of Kruphix} is probably the second most played card out of Theros block (besides the Temples, and the first being {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}) and how would someone think that getting 2 1/1s for 2 at instant speed is bad?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 16, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
I understand someone not knowing the interactions in some weird Legacy deck, but for someone to look at {Courser of Kruphix}, {Raise the Alarm} and {Chord of Calling} and call them horrible cards simply implies a low level of thought processing. I guess Chord is understandable, it might not see a lot of standard play right now, but {Courser of Kruphix} is probably the second most played card out of Theros block (besides the Temples, and the first being {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}) and how would someone think that getting 2 1/1s for 2 at instant speed is bad?
We also don't know who actually said this, with no description, it could have been a kid, someone with a learning disability, someone who's only played magic for only a few months, etc. Some quotes could also have been taken out of context or exaggerated like people tend to do when they're upset.
Id rank it:
Vintage
Legacy
EDH
Limited
Modern
Standard.
Standard is by far the easiest.
Oh god no mentioned casual basic play.
People who just brew cards from deck builder box and never play in a sanction format ever.
"I play green monsters because they look cool"
"I play this deck cuz I like lions and centaurs"
That my friends; is stupid magic
All of these people talking hshit but wouldn't know what to do against a stasis deck.
Everyone starts somewhere. Quit being little bitchess. If you dont like them, beat them in the tournament and win a booster box
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 16, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
Oh god no mentioned casual basic play.
People who just brew cards from deck builder box and never play in a sanction format ever.
"I play green monsters because they look cool"
"I play this deck cuz I like lions and centaurs"
That my friends; is stupid magic
That was me once, sort of, my decks were put together better than that though
My first deck ever made was a bunch of high cost creatures with ramp when i first started playing magic. Of course it had thorn elemental
Lol
Quote from: Stromack on July 16, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
I disagree. All people are fundamentally stupid.
If you were to ask me who I thought were the most annoying group of players, I would tell you the people that value cards solely based on their monetary value.
This man is a genius
Tbh casual has the majority of players playing cards that aren't legal in anything and still manage to not be competitive.
And that's okay if that's what you want.
I don't think it's fair to rank seeing as I've only played edh, modern and standard.
However I think that standard at a high competitive level is a rather intelligent game, more so right after a rotation as the creativity is at an all time high.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 16, 2014, 01:34:19 AM
Yeah....standard is definitely the dumbest of the formats. I'd rank them (in order of difficulty, from most to least): Vintage, Legacy, Draft, Sealed, Modern, Commander (depending on how your group plays, this could be different), Standard.
Casual isn't even on the list... *sad face*
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 16, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
Oh god no mentioned casual basic play.
People who just brew cards from deck builder box and never play in a sanction format ever.
"I play green monsters because they look cool"
"I play this deck cuz I like lions and centaurs"
That my friends; is stupid magic
Some people have more enjoyment playing what they want, not what's good. People have personal bias for or against cards, otherwise we'd all be playing the same decks.
There's Timmies, Johnies and Spikes out there. Each has their place.
The first time I saw {Thoughtsieze} I thought it was dumb. Now I understand.
Don't mistake newbieness for stupidity. It's that person that stubbornly insists {Axebane Stag} is good and that {Vampire Nighthawk} is bad despite experience. That's the stupid player.