Obviously both are strong decks in the current standard, and they are keeping quite a few key cards, but will they have enough to survive past rotation, assuming they don't get much in Khans?
As long as there is {Gray Merchant of Asphodel} there will be mono black devotion. I've heard people predict that black devotion will actually pick up. As for mono blue I really don't understand it. Probably because I've never played with or against it.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 10, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
As long as there is {Gray Merchant of Asphodel} there will be mono black devotion. I've heard people predict that black devotion will actually pick up. As for mono blue I really don't understand it. Probably because I've never played with or against it.
Mono-blue is basically just a tempo or aggro deck featuring {Thassa, God of the Sea} and {Master of Waves}. Typically you will face something like: {Cloudfin Raptor}, {Frostburn Weird}, Thassa, Master as a curve to beat face. The only difference between this and a normal aggro deck is the emphasis on devotion, counterspell back-up, draw (especially through {Bident of Thassa}) and more late game capabilities.
Quote from: Taysby on July 10, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
mono black loses pack rat and nightveil and underworld connections and mutavault. I doubt it'll be tier one. but as long as there's merchant, there will be mono black devotion.
i agree. losing pack rat and mutavault is pretty huge, considering its one of the main wincons, and definitely feeds gary. mono blue will be fine but i think it will be a bit less aggro and maybe run prog sphinx.
Mono Blue has not been a big thing in my meta. Black has had a much bigger impact. A lot of it really depends on what is in the new set. Will it be stuff that can replace the rat and Mutavault? I doubt it.
Mono blue has been dead since JOU (deicide)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 10, 2014, 09:47:42 PM
Mono blue has been dead since JOU (deicide)
Not entirely, it has nerfed it, but it still wins Standard Dailies. It also has a chance past rotation as a tier two deck, if the meta changes up
Monoblack loses a lot of key kill spells
More specifically
Devour flesh
Doom blade
Lifebane
Pack rat
Underworld connections
Mutavault
And desecration demon
So yeah... Don't tell anyone I told you but monoblack is a control deck.
Someone will make a variant but it won't be nearly as powerful
I see potential in monoblack Aggro still however
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 10, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 10, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
As long as there is {Gray Merchant of Asphodel} there will be mono black devotion. I've heard people predict that black devotion will actually pick up. As for mono blue I really don't understand it. Probably because I've never played with or against it.
Mono-blue is basically just a tempo or aggro deck featuring {Thassa, God of the Sea} and {Master of Waves}. Typically you will face something like: {Cloudfin Raptor}, {Frostburn Weird}, Thassa, Master as a curve to beat face. The only difference between this and a normal aggro deck is the emphasis on devotion, counterspell back-up, draw (especially through {Bident of Thassa}) and more late game capabilities.
Sounds like my kind of deck...the only mono blue deck I saw only had {Atherling} though. (For creatures) I can kinda see why though. I do have an {Atherling} so I guess I'll check out some builds. I'm assuming {Thassa's Rebuff} is a good counter for mono blue? I have a play set...
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 11, 2014, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 10, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 10, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
As long as there is {Gray Merchant of Asphodel} there will be mono black devotion. I've heard people predict that black devotion will actually pick up. As for mono blue I really don't understand it. Probably because I've never played with or against it.
Mono-blue is basically just a tempo or aggro deck featuring {Thassa, God of the Sea} and {Master of Waves}. Typically you will face something like: {Cloudfin Raptor}, {Frostburn Weird}, Thassa, Master as a curve to beat face. The only difference between this and a normal aggro deck is the emphasis on devotion, counterspell back-up, draw (especially through {Bident of Thassa}) and more late game capabilities.
Sounds like my kind of deck...the only mono blue deck I saw only had {Atherling} though. (For creatures) I can kinda see why though. I do have an {Atherling} so I guess I'll check out some builds. I'm assuming {Thassa's Rebuff} is a good counter for mono blue? I have a play set...
No one plays {Thassa's Rebuff}. It's too conditional and monoblue usually only plays like 4-8 counterspells. {Dissolve}, {Negate}, and {Essence Scatter} are your best bet.
Neither mono blue not mono black are played at my LGS, so i do not know the frustration of playing against them, but I think that many people will be glad if mono black gets shut down a bit.....
Hopefully both just die. Forever. So tired of seeing Mono B vs. Mono B. I understand that it is a powerful deck, but ffs is it stale.
We still get T1 thoughtseize for another year at least :P
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 11, 2014, 12:55:10 AM
We still get T1 thoughtseize for another year at least :P
Enough of a reason for me to decide to not play standard for another year at least haha.
Well at least I can't followup with turn 2 {duress} or turn three {lifebane zombie} / {sin collector}
Then kill whatever I want, then pack rat plan gg
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 11, 2014, 05:49:29 AM
Well at least I can't followup with turn 2 {duress} or turn three {lifebane zombie} / {sin collector}
Then kill whatever I want, then pack rat plan gg
That D sphere of the top tho.....
Mono blue won't be good. Mono black however, they'll still have some array of kill spells like {bile blight}, {Hero's downfall}, {drown in sorrow}, and possibly {Feast of Dreams}. They can move towards more of a midrange deck with cards like {master of the feast} and {Doomwake giant}. They'll have less hand disruption and have to replace it with mediocre creatures. I don't think mono black will be as good as it is now, but it can hold up.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 11, 2014, 12:25:30 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 11, 2014, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 10, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 10, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
As long as there is {Gray Merchant of Asphodel} there will be mono black devotion. I've heard people predict that black devotion will actually pick up. As for mono blue I really don't understand it. Probably because I've never played with or against it.
Mono-blue is basically just a tempo or aggro deck featuring {Thassa, God of the Sea} and {Master of Waves}. Typically you will face something like: {Cloudfin Raptor}, {Frostburn Weird}, Thassa, Master as a curve to beat face. The only difference between this and a normal aggro deck is the emphasis on devotion, counterspell back-up, draw (especially through {Bident of Thassa}) and more late game capabilities.
Sounds like my kind of deck...the only mono blue deck I saw only had {Atherling} though. (For creatures) I can kinda see why though. I do have an {Atherling} so I guess I'll check out some builds. I'm assuming {Thassa's Rebuff} is a good counter for mono blue? I have a play set...
No one plays {Thassa's Rebuff}. It's too conditional and monoblue usually only plays like 4-8 counterspells. {Dissolve}, {Negate}, and {Essence Scatter} are your best bet.
I always find that when I play {Negate} and {Essence Scatter} I never have the right one. I do prefer things like {Dissolve} and {Cancel}. I might try {Thassa's Rebuff} but we'll see. (I still don't own a single copy of {Dissolve}.)