With the last set spoiled before the rotation, do you see any core build for control? Of course there is still khans, but here is what we got from m15:
{Dissipate}: with already having the a 3 mana counter that gives you scry, I'm not sure why wizards printed this instead of a 2 mana counter spell that would be much more needed. I think this card will stay a sideboard card unless the needs for exiling creatures rises.
{jaces ingenuity}: although this card may look pretty weak for the current standard, it gives you 3 cards for 5 unlike {sphinxes revelation} which gives you 5 for 2, while still maintaining instant speed. Although it does not give life, the mana cost is easier to play and more splash able. This card will defiantly be played if the rest of the core can survive.
{cancel} im confused why they reprinted this card while having 2 other 3 mana counter spells in standard. None the less this is a powerful card in limited and draft format.
After looking at some of the core staples we got from m15, I think the missing card will be a low cost board wipe (all other post rotation board wipes are 6-7 mana which is not ideal against fast aggro decks, although the meta is slowing down with garruk and other powerful new cards. And even if we do not get a strong win con like atheling, we have elsbeth, and possibly {Ashiok} or {liliana vess} from m15.
Thanks for reading! What do you think?
It may not be as oppressive, but America control has everything it really needs already. {Steam Augury}, {Keranos, God of Storms}, {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}, {Dissolve}, {Anger of the Gods}, {Lightning Strike}, {Magma Jet}, {Banishing Light}, {Nyx-Fleece Ram}, {Revoke Existance}, {Whelming Wave}, {Aetherspouts}, {Dissipate}....In addition, BUG control was one of the top decks at PT Journey, which was Block constructed and that's with only 3/5 of the sets that will be in standard when rotation happens, I am sure it could get a few things from M15 and Khans.
I think there will still. E control, but it is going to look completely different after rotation. None of us know what the next set will contain, but it definitely won't mirror the RtR block. RtR was awesome for control, and I hope the same goes for the new set.
So many options for control
I feel esper control will focus more on discard with rotation
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
damnation reprint would be almost as good as fetches reprint! dont toy with my emotions.
Quote from: particle on July 10, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
damnation reprint would be almost as good as fetches reprint! dont toy with my emotions.
Well I see it like this Standard loses Verdict so it needs some wipe other than Fated Retribution
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: particle on July 10, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
damnation reprint would be almost as good as fetches reprint! dont toy with my emotions.
Well I see it like this Standard loses Verdict so it needs some wipe other than Fated Retribution
No it doesn't, shhh
;)
Control is actual magic though lol it's what magic should be about DECISIONS!! Not just play {Goblin Guide} swing 2, end step {Lightning Bolt} lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:28:10 PM
Control is actual magic though lol it's what magic should be about DECISIONS!! Not just play {Goblin Guide} swing 2, end step {Lightning Bolt} lol
Not this argument again... Or at least start a new thread. I don't want to send this one even more off topic.
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 10, 2014, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:28:10 PM
Control is actual magic though lol it's what magic should be about DECISIONS!! Not just play {Goblin Guide} swing 2, end step {Lightning Bolt} lol
Not this argument again... Or at least start a new thread. I don't want to send this one even more off topic.
True back on track :D
Control will get new shells to build off :P
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
I doubt it. Much more likely to see {wrath of god}
Quote from: Gocougs509 on July 10, 2014, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 10:19:00 PM
We will get {Damnation} in Khand I'm all but guaranteeing it! Also Esper Grixis or USA control will get something else in Khans too. They can't have a rotation without a control deck .. Or can they? Duh duh duuuuhhhh
I doubt it. Much more likely to see {wrath of god}
Either way what I'm saying is that control will get a 4 mana sweeper
{day of judgement} is a possibility.
Quote from: E.kann1 on July 10, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
{day of judgement} is a possibility.
True but hopefully not I like sweepers with SOME upside. Verdict can't be countered, wrath can't be regened.
The way I see it also is that it's on war torn plane. How can there not be a sweeper lol
Compared to verdict, the "upside" is not requiring blue. Although that might be a downside. :P
Not running {U} is the biggest downside in Magic lol why would anyone ever not play {U}?
I could see damnation printing soon. We've seen alot of stuff from future sight recently.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 10, 2014, 11:52:14 PM
I could see damnation printing soon. We've seen alot of stuff from future sight recently.
{damnation}
Is from planar chaos
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 11, 2014, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 10, 2014, 11:52:14 PM
I could see damnation printing soon. We've seen alot of stuff from future sight recently.
{damnation}
Is from planar chaos
Same block
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 11, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 11, 2014, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 10, 2014, 11:52:14 PM
I could see damnation printing soon. We've seen alot of stuff from future sight recently.
{damnation}
Is from planar chaos
Same block
No the idea behind future sight is that the future shifted cards are actual cards from the future
So they just appeared in that set but they actually "haven't technically been released"
Kinda a cute little theme...
For example {nessan courser}
That's not to say the rest of the sets in that block don't get "reprints" like obviously were getting {urborg, tomb of yawgmoth}
But yeah future shifted things aren't really reprints they're just coming out where they "were from to begin with"
I think they announced we were getting one future shifted card In khans also I believe
So yeah keep an eye on the future shifted cards when you see one that matches the flavor of new sets
I heard the rumor mill mention it was the artifact land fortification for khans
Maro said that "Wraths have a place but development has felt that place most often be greater than four mana"
He must play green then.
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on July 11, 2014, 05:55:27 AM
I heard the rumor mill mention it was the artifact land fortification for khans
Maybe {Steamflogger Boss} will be printed and we will get contraptions :P
I domt think {Damnation} is getting reprinted.
Although I think its quite likely we may see a black {Day of Judgment}.
M15 {aetherspout} is a pretty good sweeper as well
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 15, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
M15 {aetherspout} is a pretty good sweeper as well
Yeah, but at this point it depends in whats in khans ;)
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 15, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
M15 {aetherspout} is a pretty good sweeper as well
yeah bouncing into library instead of hand is huge
Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 15, 2014, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on July 15, 2014, 06:28:29 PM
M15 {aetherspout} is a pretty good sweeper as well
yeah bouncing into library instead of hand is huge
But compared to supreme verdict it is very bad. Cons, costs 1 more mana, does not kill creatures and allows the opponents to scry them (gives them the choice), and can only use when they attack,so not good against creatures with abilities that don't need them to attack. Pros; good against gods, boros charm, and most anti wrath. IMO cons out way pros, because honestly a turn agaisnt aggro is life or death and this only works if you are on the draw. Better than nothing.
Yes it's not an uncounterable wipe, but it's definitely a frustrater for tokens and also people who have exhausted their hand