4 (Brain Maggot)
4 (sylvan caryatid)
4 (underworld coinsmith)
4 (Grim Guardian)
4 (Courser of Kruphix)
4 (Eidolon of Blossoms)
3 (Nyx-Fleece Ram)
2 (Doomwake Giant)
1 (Heliod, God of the Sun)
1 (Erobos, God of the Dead)
31 creatures
4 (Gift of Immortality)
4 (Banishing Light)
2 (Hero's Downfall)
10 spells
4 (Temple of Plenty)
4 (Temple Garden)
2 (Overgrown Tomb)
2 (Mana Confluence)
1 (Godless Shrine)
1 forest
3 plains
7 swamps
24 lands
Let me know your opinions on this junk deck and help me with some pointers and suggestions on making this a standard competitive deck please. Thanks
This is pretty much what I had put together, although I really like my 3 of {Pharika, God of Affliction}. To link cards (makes it easier to reference) use the squiggly parentheses things. Quote me to see what I am talking about, and good luck with the deck.
I would definetly look at getting more spot removal. I don't see the guardians doing you any good unless you have multiple or a recursion effect with them. I would also consider {doomwake giant} as a 3. He is your bomb that weakens the field and does work.
Quote from: SoshiGanrou on July 08, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
I would definetly look at getting more spot removal. I don't see the guardians doing you any good unless you have multiple or a recursion effect with them. I would also consider {doomwake giant} as a 3. He is your bomb that weakens the field and does work.
You must be joking!?! {Grim Guardian} is a powerhouse in a deck that can cantrip through enchantments, plus the huge butt can make it hard for creatures to get through to you. Take it from someone who played the deck: your goal is to so weaken them as much as you can with the Guardians, then finish them off with either {Underworld Coinsmith} or by swinging with your team. Guardian is a cornerstone for this deck. {Doomwake Giant} is good, but some decks don't even run creatures so it is sometimes just a big, expensive blank, where are {Grim Guardian} is always good.
I was honestly thinking of taking out the[sylvan caryatid] for more enchantments
Quote from: Fudd27 on July 08, 2014, 11:59:57 PM
I was honestly thinking of taking out the[sylvan caryatid] for more enchantments
It's something to think about. I ran {Extinguish All Hope} in my deck instead of {Doomwake Giant} and I always hated losing the Caryatids when I cast it.
Yeah and I have a very decent mana base. Any recommendations as far as changes what would you recommend other than me needing at least 2 {Athreos, God of Passage}?
What about {Dictate of Erobos}?
Use { brackets} not (brackets), just a tip!
I kinda {figured} it out.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 08, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: SoshiGanrou on July 08, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
I would definetly look at getting more spot removal. I don't see the guardians doing you any good unless you have multiple or a recursion effect with them. I would also consider {doomwake giant} as a 3. He is your bomb that weakens the field and does work.
You must be joking!?! {Grim Guardian} is a powerhouse in a deck that can cantrip through enchantments, plus the huge butt can make it hard for creatures to get through to you. Take it from someone who played the deck: your goal is to so weaken them as much as you can with the Guardians, then finish them off with either {Underworld Coinsmith} or by swinging with your team. Guardian is a cornerstone for this deck. {Doomwake Giant} is good, but some decks don't even run creatures so it is sometimes just a big, expensive blank, where are {Grim Guardian} is always good.
I've tried my hand at constellation, and have made one that has won 2 scg iq's... {Grim guardian} isn't as good as {doom wake giant}. Giant swings combat in your favour, if you "combo off" he acts as a board wipe, he has a bigger butt, and if all else fails, he's a 4/6. Constellation decks that run guardian over giant never have a proper five drop. Guardian is competing with {Courser of kruphix} and {banishing light} for three drops, and is severely outclassed by the other three drops.
Quote from: CrackaLacka on July 09, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 08, 2014, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: SoshiGanrou on July 08, 2014, 11:38:05 PM
I would definetly look at getting more spot removal. I don't see the guardians doing you any good unless you have multiple or a recursion effect with them. I would also consider {doomwake giant} as a 3. He is your bomb that weakens the field and does work.
You must be joking!?! {Grim Guardian} is a powerhouse in a deck that can cantrip through enchantments, plus the huge butt can make it hard for creatures to get through to you. Take it from someone who played the deck: your goal is to so weaken them as much as you can with the Guardians, then finish them off with either {Underworld Coinsmith} or by swinging with your team. Guardian is a cornerstone for this deck. {Doomwake Giant} is good, but some decks don't even run creatures so it is sometimes just a big, expensive blank, where are {Grim Guardian} is always good.
I've tried my hand at constellation, and have made one that has won 2 scg iq's... {Grim guardian} isn't as good as {doom wake giant}. Giant swings combat in your favour, if you "combo off" he acts as a board wipe, he has a bigger butt, and if all else fails, he's a 4/6. Constellation decks that run guardian over giant never have a proper five drop. Guardian is competing with {Courser of kruphix} and {banishing light} for three drops, and is severely outclassed by the other three drops.
It really depends on how you want to play the deck, {Doomwake Giant} is better if you are going for a midrange deck with an enchantment theme, but if you want more of a combo deck, you play {Grim Guardian}. As for you SCG IQ's, they are basically just FNMs as far as competition level, and the Pro Tour top 8 Junk Constellation deck, didn't run {Doomwake Giant}s either. (Although I will admit it didn't run {Grim Guardian} either, it ran {Herald of Torment})
Normally a guy would try to stay away from the double colours. What about the black intimidate one?
Ok just updated. I managed to get an {Athreos, God of Passage} and switched it in to take out a {Sylvan Caryatid}
How do you deal with {Back to Nature}?
Gods are indestructible so it wont affect them.
Ahh true lol 2 cards of his 60 are unaffected my bad {Back to Nature} isn't as good as I thought :P
I have a couple of ways. {Athreos, God of Passage}. Or I have 4 {Gift of Immortality} which helps a lot. But yeah that will get a little annoying.
{Golgari charm} would work as well
Quote from: respawned on July 10, 2014, 03:25:57 PM
{Golgari charm} would work as well
This^^
Plus remember that {Gift of Immortality} will be destroyed so sure the creature it enchants come back but gift won't come back. Right? After typing that I got confused lol
{golgari charm} will rotate out in Kahns unfortunately.
Quote from: Mattao19 on July 10, 2014, 02:29:42 PM
Ahh true lol 2 cards of his 60 are unaffected my bad {Back to Nature} isn't as good as I thought :P
The reason I pulled apart my Junk constellation deck....
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 10, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
{golgari charm} will rotate out in Kahns unfortunately.
True...but it works until then and there could be something similar in Kahns
Quote from: respawned on July 10, 2014, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 10, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
{golgari charm} will rotate out in Kahns unfortunately.
True...but it works until then and there could be something similar in Kahns
I think Kahns will be based on tri color decks :/ idk though. I hope they do. And i hope they make more amazing stuff for gruul monsters. >.<
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 10, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: respawned on July 10, 2014, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on July 10, 2014, 05:10:28 PM
{golgari charm} will rotate out in Kahns unfortunately.
True...but it works until then and there could be something similar in Kahns
I think Kahns will be based on tri color decks :/ idk though. I hope they do. And i hope they make more amazing stuff for gruul monsters. >.<
If it is wedges then this deck will get even more of a boost.....