{Anvil of Bogardan}
{Chains of Mephistopheles}
With them in play, what happens?
This I defer to a judge. I have an idea what happens, but I am posting ideas without backup here.
Alright, here's how it goes -
You draw your normal card, for turn.
Anvil Trigger goes on the stack.
Chains' replacement effect applies, so you have to discard a card.
If you did (which you probably did, since you just drew for turn) you'll draw a card. If not, you'll mill one.
Then you discard a card to the second part of the anvil's ability.
Generally, this means that you'll Draw, Discard, Draw, Discard, netting no gain in hand size, but you get to pick and choose what you keep.
If your hand somehow gets emptied before the Anvil trigger resolves, you'll go Draw, Mill, Discard, though the discard wont do anything.
Quote from: Remillo on July 08, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Alright, here's how it goes -
You draw your normal card, for turn.
Anvil Trigger goes on the stack.
Chains' replacement effect applies, so you have to discard a card.
If you did (which you probably did, since you just drew for turn) you'll draw a card. If not, you'll mill one.
Then you discard a card to the second part of the anvil's ability.
Generally, this means that you'll Draw, Discard, Draw, Discard, netting no gain in hand size, but you get to pick and choose what you keep.
If your hand somehow gets emptied before the Anvil trigger resolves, you'll go Draw, Mill, Discard, though the discard wont do anything.
but is there any point in between the two draws and discards where you can respond with an instant?
You can draw for turn, then chain replacement effect goes on stack. At this point, you can respond. This is the only time. Once chain begins to resolve, you have to resolve the whole effect, which is discard or mill, then draw. Then discard to finish resolving anvils effect.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
You can draw for turn, then chain replacement effect goes on stack. At this point, you can respond. This is the only time. Once chain begins to resolve, you have to resolve the whole effect, which is discard or mill, then draw. Then discard to finish resolving anvils effect.
Correction: the Anvil trigger goes on the stack. The Chains ability merely changes what happens when the Anvil ability resolves. While the Anvil trigger is on the stack, players will get priority, so yes, you could cast an instant then.
Quote from: Remillo on July 08, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
You can draw for turn, then chain replacement effect goes on stack. At this point, you can respond. This is the only time. Once chain begins to resolve, you have to resolve the whole effect, which is discard or mill, then draw. Then discard to finish resolving anvils effect.
Correction: the Anvil trigger goes on the stack. The Chains ability merely changes what happens when the Anvil ability resolves. While the Anvil trigger is on the stack, players will get priority, so yes, you could cast an instant then.
Blah yes. Lol. Chains is a bad bad card, almost as bad as {Humility}
Quote from: Remillo on July 08, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 08, 2014, 11:28:51 AM
You can draw for turn, then chain replacement effect goes on stack. At this point, you can respond. This is the only time. Once chain begins to resolve, you have to resolve the whole effect, which is discard or mill, then draw. Then discard to finish resolving anvils effect.
Correction: the Anvil trigger goes on the stack. The Chains ability merely changes what happens when the Anvil ability resolves. While the Anvil trigger is on the stack, players will get priority, so yes, you could cast an instant then.
ok, so the order of draw step with this is draw for turn, priority for triggers, discard, priority?, draw, discard. is that right? sorry seen a lot of nekusar type decks doing this and wanna know when i can respond.
Quote from: particle on July 08, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
ok, so the order of draw step with this is draw for turn, priority for triggers, discard, priority?, draw, discard. is that right? sorry seen a lot of nekusar type decks doing this and wanna know when i can respond.
Pretty much. It'll look like this.
Draw Step:
Draw for turn (turn-based action, doesn't use the stack)
Anvil triggers and goes on the stack.
Players get priority.
Stuff players do happens as needed.
Anvil trigger resolves, as modified by Chains (if it's still on the battlefield)
Players get priority again after Anvil trigger resolves.
Eventually move to Precombat main phase.
For draw step, is there still priority given to cast spells?
Yes. The only time priority doesn't exist is during untap.
Quote from: griffin131 on July 09, 2014, 08:46:11 AM
Yes. The only time priority doesn't exist is during untap.
special actions like morph also dont pass priority right?
Quote from: particle on July 09, 2014, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: griffin131 on July 09, 2014, 08:46:11 AM
Yes. The only time priority doesn't exist is during untap.
special actions like morph also dont pass priority right?
Morph and Mana Abilities just don't use the stack, but can be used any time you have priority (or during the resolution of a spell if it calls for a mana payment, like {Mana Leak})