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Title: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 29, 2014, 01:39:43 PM

Jund

60 cards, 0 sideboard


4 {Blackcleave Cliffs}
2 {Raging Ravine}
3 {Marsh Flats}
2 {Blood Crypt}
4 {Verdant Catacombs}
1 {Forest}
2 {Swamp}
1 {Overgrown Tomb}
3 {Treetop Village}
2 {Misty Rainforest}

24 lands


2 {Courser of Kruphix}
1 {Olivia Voldaren}
3 {Scavenging Ooze}
4 {Tarmogoyf}
4 {Dark Confidant}

14 creatures


3 {Inquisition of Kozilek}
1 {Slaughter Pact}
1 {Anger of the Gods}
1 {Maelstrom Pulse}
3 {Thoughtseize}
2 {Terminate}
3 {Liliana of the Veil}
4 {Lightning Bolt}
2 {Chandra, Pyromaster}
2 {Abrupt Decay}

22 other spells


Sideboard
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Mattao19 on June 29, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
I'd really consider dropping one scavenging ooze and Olivia for two more abrupt decays

But that's me
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:21:38 AM
Abrupt decay is a pretty shitty card.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
I should probably ask what your meta is like first lol mine is mostly zoo twin and pod all of which Decay is great.

Why do you say it's shitty? It seems like an unreal card can't be countered you stop their combo/kill their tarmo goyf

The guy who came 2nd at GP Minneapolis ran 3 MB idk I like it better than Olivia and a 3rd scooze
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:35:45 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
I should probably ask what your meta is like first lol mine is mostly zoo twin and pod all of which Decay is great.

Why do you say it's shitty? It seems like an unreal card can't be countered you stop their combo/kill their tarmo goyf

The guy who came 2nd at GP Minneapolis ran 3 MB idk I like it better than Olivia and a 3rd scooze

Against Pod, Abrupt Decay is a card that is sided out. It is not good against Pod. And the cards tha would counter it really don't run anything less than 3. It is only really good against Twin because they can't counter and Smother would be great against Zoo.

It just catches things that you don't want to waste a pulse on. It is a pretty weak card since the card only kills creatures. It does kill bitternblossom, but this already has a great matchup against Faeries.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 01:38:00 AM
Just a suggestion :) I still don't understand Olivia though
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:52:07 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 01:38:00 AM
Just a suggestion :) I still don't understand Olivia though
Olivia is great against grindy decks that this deck isn't as great against. It is amazing against pod alone and can work well against creature combo decks.

It is a catch all for weird decks.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Spencer Addington on June 30, 2014, 01:56:56 AM
Didn't most jund decks switch Olivia for thrun?
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 30, 2014, 01:56:56 AM
Didn't most jund decks switch Olivia for thrun?
Not really. Olivia was more for sideboard but control isn't as big right now, so Thrun made its way to the sideboard instead.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Mattao19 on June 30, 2014, 11:20:35 AM
I just can't help but think that there are better options than Olivia she seems so meh to me
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Spencer Addington on June 30, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
She's surprisingly strong for long games. I'm sure you could find a video of a jund list that runs Olivia and see the game winning potential.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 30, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
She's surprisingly strong for long games. I'm sure you could find a video of a jund list that runs Olivia and see the game winning potential.
Pretty much. You have to try it.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Gocougs509 on June 30, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:21:38 AM
Abrupt decay is a pretty shitty card.

Now I've heard it all, hahahaha yeah that card blows why even bother running it
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 30, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:21:38 AM
Abrupt decay is a pretty shitty card.

Now I've heard it all, hahahaha yeah that card blows why even bother running it

Jund players side it out against Pod, Scapeshift, UWR Control. It is only really good against Affinity and Twin, which are either 50/50 matchups or better.

Abrupt Decay is a good card, but it is shitty in the meta and people shouldn't run more than 3 unless they are playing BG Rock.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: imthelolrus on June 30, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 30, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 01:21:38 AM
Abrupt decay is a pretty shitty card.

Now I've heard it all, hahahaha yeah that card blows why even bother running it

Jund players side it out against Pod, Scapeshift, UWR Control. It is only really good against Affinity and Twin, which are either 50/50 matchups or better.

Abrupt Decay is a good card, but it is shitty in the meta and people shouldn't run more than 3 unless they are playing BG Rock.
Agree, I run 3 in my BG rock deck. Interesting to see only 1 main Anger but it makes sense to me since you're swapping Thrun for Olivia. Looks like a pretty solid list :) I'm curious why Jund over BG Rock
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: Teysa karlov on June 30, 2014, 08:00:58 PM
 {Abrupt Decay} is a sick card. It help stop twin, 8 rack, zoo, robots and fairies
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on June 30, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Teysa karlov on June 30, 2014, 08:00:58 PM
{Abrupt Decay} is a sick card. It help stop twin, 8 rack, zoo, robots and fairies
Twin is already a good match up. 8 Rack isn't that big of a deck to see more than once at any big tournament. Zoo is the same way and we have a good match up against zoo. Robots is already a hard matchup and doesn't kill Etched Champion or Arcbound Ravager properly. And Abrupt Decay is amazing against Faeries.

It is a good card, but it only makes the easy matchups better. In matchups we have trouble against, it is a card to sideboard out fast and easier.

It is a good card, but isn't the best card in the current meta. Go ahead and fight me on this more and more, my point stands and I know that it is just a decent card in this meta. Just decent.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on July 01, 2014, 12:12:43 AM
Here is a mock sideboard:
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Kitchen Finks
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Shatterstorm
1 Shatterstorm
1 Blightning

This is off the top of my head without any thought, and the numbers are rough. But, yes, those cards are almost auto include in the sideboard.
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: imthelolrus on July 01, 2014, 03:56:44 AM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on July 01, 2014, 12:12:43 AM
Here is a mock sideboard:
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Kitchen Finks
3 Fulminator Mage
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Shatterstorm
1 Shatterstorm
1 Blightning

This is off the top of my head without any thought, and the numbers are rough. But, yes, those cards are almost auto include in the sideboard.
-1 Shatterstorm, +1 Spellskite ;)
Title: Re: Jund
Post by: DeathlyFoiend on July 01, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
I just realized I put  3 Shatterstorm. One of those should be Sowing Salt.

I do like Spellskite, though.
-Sowing Salt
+Spellskite