Can I use {Quicken} and then {Stolen Identity} on a planeswalker that turns into a creature until end of turn causing both PWs to be sent to the graveyard?
I believe with Gideon it says he is still a planeswalker so i dont think it would work
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 20, 2014, 09:55:01 AM
I believe with Gideon it says he is still a planeswalker so i dont think it would work
Unless you're sure. Don't answer it just causes confusion :P thanks for trying to help it's great to see. But Rules ?s need to be answered with complete confidence bc ppl build decks around these things.
Thanks for trying to help but next time unless you're sure dont respond :).
{Gideon Jura}
{Gideon, Champion of Justice}
Quote from: Avodroc13 on June 20, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
Can I use {Quicken} and then {Stolen Identity} on a planeswalker that turns into a creature until end of turn causing both PWs to be sent to the graveyard?
Ok I know I can answer half of this. I'm assuming you're copying an opponents Planeswalker. Since the Planeswalker on the opponents side is not under your control, the Planeswalker uniqueness rule wouldn't kill either one. I'll paste the rule down below after I give an example.
So let's say that my opponent has {Chandra Nalaar} and I cast {Chandra Nalaar}. They would both be fine because I do not control two planswalkers with a shared subtype (that subtype being Chandra). No let's say I now cast {Chandra Ablaze}. Because I now have two planeswalkers with the same subtype, I must choose and sacrifice one.
Relevant ruling
704.5j (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?action=imtg;area=rule;number=704.5j): If a player controls two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "planeswalker uniqueness rule."
{stolen identity} doesnt target planeswalkers. it targets creatures or artifacts. unless you make your 'walker a creature like {gideon jura} can do, the walker is an illegal target.
Quote from: particle on June 20, 2014, 10:30:23 AM
{stolen identity} doesnt target planeswalkers. it targets creatures or artifacts. unless you make your 'walker a creature like {gideon jura} can do, the walker is an illegal target.
He said that he did
I mentioned that once the PW turned into a creature....
But anyways is it possible?
Yes and no. According to the card's rulings (which I can't copy/paste on my phone), a creature can come into play as a copy of the opponent's PW when it is a creature, but it comes on to the battlefieldm as a PW, not a creature.
So you would get {Gideon Jura} or {Gideon, Champion of Justice} with their base loualty counters, but it would not be a creature when it enters the battlefield. So you can copy, but you wouldn't be able to, say, block an attacking {Gideon Jura} by copying in response to him being declared as an attacker.
{stolen identity} only cares that it targets a creature. It doesn't care what other card type it might have.
This means you may also use it to target artifact creatures and enchantment creatures.
The previous post regarding the planeswalker uniqueness rule also applies, so it would not destroy both planeswalkers (this rule was changed with m2014. Previously this would work as you suggested)
Re-hashed the second part to get a complete answer in one post.
Much like how you can copy a god such as {Xenagos, God of Revels} if it is a creature. Then on your side it becomes an enchantment.